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John Deere 230 amp Welder

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Deerejunior

04-01-2007 04:51:56




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I am looking at picking up a John Deere 230 amp welder. I am trying to find out the pros/cons of this welding unit, if it is a solid peice (in general) and most importanly what the value of these items are these days. I have not seen another for sale so I don"t know much about them. I know it works, has the lead, ground and power plug plus a couple rods. Anyone know the vlaue of such and item and if it will be able to weld/repair skid loader buckets and other implements I plan to fabricate?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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Stan in Oly, WA

04-01-2007 10:31:36




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to Deerejunior, 04-01-2007 04:51:56  
Hi Deerejunior,

I started welding by taking a welding class at the local community college. Before that I had zero exposure to welding. At the college I had access to high quality equipment and even higher quality instruction and advice. Even so, the welds of several heavy duty tools I built for my own use failed during hard use. The instructors were not able to watch everything I did while making these tools, and I did not know enough to ask the right questions.

Years later with thousands of welding hours under my belt it's very obvious to me why my welds failed. The thing is, when I built those tools I did the best I could. I took my time, ground out and re-did welds that looked questionable, used the right electrodes, pre-heated materials, etc. The problem was, I just didn't know enough to do everything I was supposed to do.

The projects you describe sound serious, and the consequences of them failing during use would be serious, too. Get yourself some good instruction and/or spend a lot of time making heavy practice welds and doing realistic destructive testing on them to see what they're worth. The time you spend with an arc lit in front of you is normally the least time of the whole welding job.

All the best, Stan

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Deerejunior

04-01-2007 14:57:36




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 04-01-2007 10:31:36  
Thanks for the information - I ended up getting the welder for $75, hooked up the circuits in the barn and gave it a shot this afternoon - she works. I am just starting to weld and by all means won't be doing a lot of welding. I have a bunch of scrap angle iron so I am am going to keep trying to make good solid welds. I also found a course online from ESAB to get me started. I like the idea of going to a local community college course - never thought of that but great idea. Thanks again

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flying belgian

04-01-2007 09:31:53




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to Deerejunior, 04-01-2007 04:51:56  
Ive got one sitting in back of shed. Pa bought it new and we used it all through the years on the farm. All them old arc welders worked good and still do. Secret is using the right rods and having basic welding skills. Value? I would think $20 to $50.



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jdemaris

04-01-2007 06:23:29




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to Deerejunior, 04-01-2007 04:51:56  
I've got two of them, bought them both new when I was working for a Deere dealer late 70s, early 80s (can't remember exactly). We weren't going to sell them anymore - so I bought them cheap as "discontinued floor models." They work just like any other AC welder - but I don't know who actually made them. They have an extra function that the common Lincoln 225 amp buzz-boxes do not. The Deere welders have two outputs - one for low voltage all-purpose welding, and the other high-voltage for using 6013 rod only. The outputs are low and high voltate, not amperage. I've been using mine for heavy-equipment welding for well over 20 years - and never had any problems - unike my Century AC-DC that burned out twice. As far as worth? As what? A welder, or a Deere collector's item? As a welder, they are just as good as any other common AC welder - usually bought used in the $75 - $100 price range. As a Deere collectable - I have no idea, never thought of welders I bought new as collectors items.

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Don-WI

04-03-2007 00:20:31




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to jdemaris, 04-01-2007 06:23:29  
That kinda sounds like our Miller Thunderbolt sitting in the shop- It's a great welder and it has 3 terminals; ground, then a high and low output. Has a crank on top to adjust the amps.

Got a picture?

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Deerejunior

04-01-2007 07:58:15




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to jdemaris, 04-01-2007 06:23:29  
jdemaris - thanks for the information. Glad to hear that you worked for Deere and use these items to weld heavy equipment for years. I want to fabricate a grapple bucket out of a rock bucket I have so I figure this should be able to make the bracket for the hydraulic cylinder for the grapple. Thanks again.



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135 Fan

04-01-2007 10:32:45




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 Re: John Deere 230 amp Welder in reply to Deerejunior, 04-01-2007 07:58:15  
Try it out before you buy it. If you think you'll be doing more welding in the future, you might want to consider getting a good DC machine. They are much easier to weld with especially for someone with less experience. If the price is cheap and it works by all means buy it. You can always upgrade later. When welding on heavy equipment you should use 7018 rods and make sure they don't get any moisture. They are harder to weld with on an AC machine but you can get special AC 7018 that make it easier. The Lincoln ones work good. On the JD welder the higher open circuit volts setting is the same as a Miller with high and low. More open circuit volts makes it easier to strike an arc. It is usually used with larger rods but you could try both settings. It wouldn't be specific to certain types of rods. Dave

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