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Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment?

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T_Bone

06-12-2005 21:45:46




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Hi All,

I just bought a new 32ft GN flatbed with pressure treated decking and want to seal the deck before the sun eats it alive.

What I'm thinking of doing is taking each plank off then sealing them on all sides with pick-up bed coating. I would lightly (thin) seal the sides, ends and bottom then reinstall the deck then heavy coat the loading surface just like a pick-up bed gets coated.

I'm thinking it will seal in the existing moisture before the sun can decompose the wood.

Anyone see why I shouldn't do this? Or have a better idea?

T_Bone

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fred kobs

06-14-2005 17:40:37




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
i'll throw my 2pennies in. I agree w/letting it dry for a while then when I worked for semi-tlr. dealer, we used 3M undercoating on new floor bottom, side and end. good luck whatever u try. fred



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MSM

06-14-2005 15:36:26




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
If you are going to take the deck off,I would suggest replacing it with apitong.Its tough,won't cup or split,and it will outlast the trailer.My US B on spades barely leaves a mark on it.While you have the deck off,might also be a good idea to sand,prime and repaint the underneath. If your new trailer is anything like mine,I think they might have used about 1 quart of paint and no primer on it. Half the underneath of mine started to rust after about 3 months.

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T_Bone

06-14-2005 00:43:20




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I thank everyone for there suggestions.

I was wondering if the sealant would seperate from the pressure treated wood or even stick to it and since that was confirmed, it's on to plan "B".

I asked the mfg what to put on and he said they all use 50/50 motor oil/diesel with a sprayer. So I think I'll give that a try although it goes against what I've read for taking care of gun stocks. They say that since motor oil or petroleum products are decomposed oils, applying them to fine wood will accellerate wood decomposition but using new vegetable oil will not.

Then I'll lay on a 14ga steel deck, skip welded on the edges and seams, shoot a couple center screws, then paint with anti-slip floor paint.

I already see a 3/8" gap in one of the joints and it's only 2weeks old with tight joints when I picked up trailer. At 104º and 15%rh it's going to shrink fast. I bet I see some splits show up shortly.

T_Bone

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wdtom

06-15-2005 18:19:48




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-14-2005 00:43:20  
Spilled some 90 wt. gear oil on my plywood floor truck body a couple of years ago and water still beads up on that spot.



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Gary in Colorado

06-13-2005 21:17:13




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I beleive I'd second the used oil. I have an old wooden railroad car that I treated with used oil and diesel 50/50 mix, mostly so I could just put thru a weed sprayer for ease. It get's pretty warm here in the summer (not your type of heat) but around 110 quite often. It has held up really well, and has been a good way to get rid of some of the used oil.



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Can't even use my name

06-13-2005 19:25:39




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I have been told that you shouldn't treat any green or treated lumber till it has been fully seasoned. Reason is you will seal in the moisture and it will rot from inside out. Treated lumber should last long enough, we all know it won't, but I would wait a year so it is stable then treat however you want. Just my humble advice.



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720Deere

06-13-2005 19:20:16




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
You've gotten some good advice on the used motor oil. I never believed it until a friend of mine started doing it to his new trailer about 2 years ago. Pressure treated pine soaks up the dirty oil and it will not be slick. Another guy tried Thompsons Waterseal and you can't stand on the deck it's too slippery. Twice a year with the old oil you are going to throw away anyhow and you'll be good to go.

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Hal/WA

06-13-2005 17:35:44




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I had to redeck my old Wilson car hauling trailer a couple of years ago and used pressure treated 2x10's. I coated and reccoated the wood with boiled linseed oil, letting it run liberally down the cracks between the boards. I didn't do anything underneath. It has sat outside 2 years and still looks OK. I will put another gallon on this summer and may throw a little sand into the wet coating for better traction. It gets very slippery when wet.

It took about 4 gallons to do the 8 x 16 deck. I really let it soak in and fill all the cracks and checks in the wood. Although boiled linseed oil is much more expensive than I expected it to be, it is lots cheaper than many other treatments.

When I installed the new decking, I found that it was very hard to get the pressure treated lumber to slide into the slots the old plain lumber had been in. It took some heavy persuasion with a sledge and in a few cases, a bit of rasp work to get the planks to go in. I don't know how your decking is installed, but adding to the thickness of my decking would have made the problem worse.

I hope to build another pole building in the next couple of years, and then the trailer will be inside, which is probably the best storage solution, although certainly not the cheapest.

I don't know how you can deal with Arizona heat! I have been to the Phoenix area a couple of times in the Summer and really thought I would melt away.... Glad to get back to the naturally air conditioned Northwest, where it seldom breaks 100 degrees more than a couple of times a Summer. Arizona is nice in the Winter though. Good luck!

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Greg NE OR

06-13-2005 20:59:38




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to Hal/WA, 06-13-2005 17:35:44  
I treat mine, also with the boiled linseed oil.
The first couple of coats are cut 50% with mineral spirits, really soaks in. Most all of our other wood treatments using linseed oil are cut with turpentine, the mineral spirits are just better dollar wise for this workhorse. Just pulled another 1000 hour service on the backhoe this last winter & as clean as the hyd. oil is have thought about trying it.

Could sure use some of that Arizona heat to cure a couple of hay fields about now.

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Keith-OR

06-14-2005 23:10:13




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to Greg NE OR, 06-13-2005 20:59:38  
Greg where are you located in NE OR...Keith



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Greg NE OR

06-16-2005 00:00:58




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to Keith-OR, 06-14-2005 23:10:13  
Hi Keith LaGrande, is our nearest city of any size, around 12,000



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Indydirtfarmer

06-13-2005 10:29:07




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
To me, this is like Inspector Gadget telling Wilbur Wright how to build an airplane....

BUT... I may never get the chance to answer a question from the wisest man on the internet, so here goes nothing!

I tried using truck bed liner spray to paint a couple ramp boards (to load a lawn tractor in a pick-up bed) a few summers back. Long story short, first time the boards flexed, it flaked off. It just didn't bond to the treated wood like I thought it would.

Also, my wood trailer deck gets hammered. Loading every sort of old farm equipment. Cultivators, plows, disc's, ect... rip the wood to pieces in a couple years. No need to worry about long-term preservation on mine....

I do what someone already mentioned. Used motor oil mixed with some diesel fuel (About 70/30% mix) I paint it on with a paint roller 2 or 3 times a year. (Don't do it on a hot, sunny day....) Best done when cool or cold.

One problem I see with waterseal products would be making the deck slick when wet. (Suprisingly, the oil/diesel doesn't do that... It absorbs into the wood, and to some degree, raises the grain on the wood, making it more NON-SKID, than slick)

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Tracy Brown

06-13-2005 10:12:13




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I just floored a trailer with rough sawed oak. The man at the sawmill said the best thing I could do to make it last was to coat it good 2 or 3 times a year with used motor oil or Diesel fuel. Easy and cheap...



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Bill46

06-13-2005 09:48:49




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
T-Bone, I have the same problem as you. I have even tried keeping the thing out of the weather most of the time.
I am going to fix it once and for all in August. I am going to have my niece's husband cut me some white oak and make a trailer floor out of it.
That fast growing pine junk just does not hold up no matter what they do to it. It may cost a little more, but it will last a lot longer.

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dhermesc

06-13-2005 09:14:42




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
I agree wtih the posts below, removing the floor and attempting to reinstall it will only give you grief, pickup bed liner will not adher to the wood surface all that well and probably cause even more problems.

I don't know how well it will work with treated lumber but I have made the wood floor of a 1967 Ford F600 last (and look good) by coating it with old motor oil two times a year. Much like the oil deck stain/finish you can buy it soaks into the wood and keeps a decent moister content while repelling water. It cheap, easy and efficient.

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Van in AR

06-13-2005 08:59:24




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
T Bone, I would not take the wood up to treat it as they use those self tapping screws and putting the wood back down would be a real PITA. I have a 30" Felling and just got two gal of Thompsons and a old garden sprayer set to a fine mist and did the entire top giving care to get it between the boards and then did the bottom. I'm fussy so I taped off the side steel so I didn't get it on the paint. after the first coat was dry I put one more on top. No problems for the last three year and it sits outside. If the trailer flooring is tight together I would wait a while as it will shrink and open up the gaps a little.
Van

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Michael_E_Tx

06-13-2005 08:29:31




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
Hi T_Bone. Sort of a funny idea to offer you advice. I have a collection of advice you have offered on various subjects. I much appreciate your contributions to this board. Nevertheless, here goes.

I don't think what you have in mind will work. First of all, trying to maintain the existing moisture in a new pressure treated deck is a losing proposition. The moisture content of newly created pressure treated wood is several times higher than the natural moisture content of the green wood it is made of. I believe no matter what you do, that moisture content will continue to drop. And the wood will continue to shrink until equilibrium with it's environment is reached.

So as I see it, if you were to apply pickup bed coating while the moisture content is high, not only would you have a hard time getting it to adhere to high moisture content wood, you would soon find that the hardened bed liner material would be, in essence, bigger than the wood surface it is applied to and it will come loose.

Although there is a certain amount of common sense in the idea of retaining wood moisture, in a climate as hot and arid as yours, it just isn't practical. I know this is true of furniture making. If I made you a piece of furniture here in east Texas, where the summer humidity is very high, no matter how well I finished it, it would soon develop cracks and space between joints, just sitting in your living room.

Personally, if I were going to go to the amount of effort you are talking about, here's what I'd do. I would monitor the moisture content of the deck with a moisture meter. I would leave it be until the moisture content stopped falling. Then I would take up the planks and paint on a coat or two of Smith&Co. Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer (CPES). I'd soak the ends by standing the planks in a coffee can of sealer for a few minutes. I would follow this with an oil based (non-polyurethane) floor enamel with the highest UV rating I could find. As you undoubtedly know, protection from UV is the primary goal in your part of the country.

I would let this age and weather for awhile. Then if you wanted to apply bedliner material on the load surface, you might actually stand a chance of it sticking and lasting for a good long time. In my opinion, the best part of your bedliner idea is the excellent UV protection you would achieve.

Again, I want to thank you for your input on so many topics, I'm always interested to hear what you have to say. I hope my opinions are of some use to you.

Michael

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Unimog

06-13-2005 07:49:36




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  

Hey T_Bone

I had a pressure treated deck on a trailer and I
just bought some sealer from Home Depot that was
compatable and coated it twice a year. Trailer sat
out in sun, rain, snow, all types and looked like
new when I sold it 7 years later. I now have a
trailer with rough sawn hemlock and it is a pain
to try and keep from cracking and weathering. I
know when you buy something new there is a desire
to keep it that way, but taking off the deck is
a huge job. Most decks now are put down with self=
tapping fasteners that are countersunk so you may
end up ripping up wood backing them out and making
a new problem to deal with. Take the easy way and
buy the sealer and a sprayer and shoot it from top
and bottom a few times per year.

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richlizzy

06-13-2005 07:03:52




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
If you are taking off the pressure wood anyway, just replace it with rough sawn oak from a lumber mill. It is cheaper than treated wood and will last a looooo oong time. Always worked for me. I have always put on used oil and never had a problem. Of course I was hauling tracked vehicles and pressure treated wood is not hard enough to withstand the abuse.



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John K

06-13-2005 06:47:49




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
Congrats on the purchase, I bought a GN25 30 foot beaver tailed tandem dually last year, best trailer in this neck of the woods. The deck sits 4.5 inches lower as the cross graces are notched into the main beam allowing the top of the deck to be at the same height as the top of the beams.
How are things since I emailed you last.



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MarkB_MI

06-13-2005 03:59:04




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
T-Bone,

The main thing you want to do is to seal the end grain. Uneven drying of the wood is what causes it to "check" (split).

There's nothing you can put on that will completely stop the wood from drying. However, there is a product called "Seasonite" made by Flood. It is a glycol-based wood treament intended for new pressure-treated wood. It retards the drying so the wood doesn't check so bad. Worked well on my house deck: eight years later there's still no splits.

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IHC Red

06-13-2005 00:09:29




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 Re: Trailer Wood Deck, Treatment? in reply to T_Bone, 06-12-2005 21:45:46  
It sounds like a lot of work, but hitting all sides is what my old industrial arts prof always said is the best way to preserve wood.

You could treat it just like a patio deck and get some of the good water seal stuff. It might just last a while. It will look better longer and clean up easier too.

When you're done, you could park it next to the house, add a table and a couple of loungers and be the coolest cat. 8-)

Regards.

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