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1928 compresser ,cast part broke.

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oliverdave

01-14-2005 06:25:19




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The motor mount also the belt tensioner broke. It's cast and I thought about useing the welding rods for cast metal but dad's used them before and and it heats one spot to fast and it wants to crack. I want to fix it on my forge with brass rods .Has any one done this on a forge and can you give me some advise how to do it.I don't have a torch set so I can't do it that way.




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Ken Hortman

01-23-2005 18:02:20




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 cronacast 211 in reply to oliverdave, 01-14-2005 06:25:19  
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Fern(Mi)

01-14-2005 15:42:03




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 Re: 1928 compresser ,cast part broke. in reply to oliverdave, 01-14-2005 06:25:19  
If I may reply, I have welded various kinds of cast iron and steel with an AC arc welder before I found out I couldn't do that. I broke my Jeep gear case in two and welded it back together back in 1960/61... Still holding strong to this day. Had put a Buick 364 engine in a 1954 Chevy pickup. Then found myself doing it again several times for cheap horse power upgrades for them old dogs. I used to cut two exhaust manifolds and AC weld the properly angled pieces together for frame clearance. Again, I did not know it couldn't be done. And, there's been some tougher projects since useing cast and stainless welding rods making these jobs easier.

But, I want to get back to the first ones: trans case and manifolds. I welded these with 6018 mild steel rod. Secret was preheating the parts and I used a wood stove using wood and a little coke (available at that time). Each piece was welded together over a period of a week to ten days, preheating each time and cooling off in the wood stove simply letting the fire die. NOTE: the primary secret (or trick) is in short welds, and one whale of a lot of peening: the, when you have peened it enough, immediately do it again and if need be again. I can not stress this part enough. The peening takes the stress out of the welded materials. Then put it back into an oven, wood stove, whatever!!! Second NOTE: make the weld short. Not over one inch or two one inch welds a day. That is why it took me a week for the manifolds.

Third NOTE: Some may say I don’t know what I’m talking about. So let them. All I know is what had worked for me. Acetylene cast iron welding is tough. I have done that. And, it requires heating the pieces to near red hot and going at it very progressively with a cast rod and flux. Then follows is the problem of distortion. Have done this welding also salvage welding castings before machining. Good luck and a peening good time!!!!!
Fernan

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Bob - MI

01-14-2005 10:57:15




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 Re: 1928 compresser ,cast part broke. in reply to oliverdave, 01-14-2005 06:25:19  
My guess is that the part is cast iron? If so, this is tough to weld, actually bordering on impossible at times. When iron cracks, there is significant stress on the part and the material is embrittled throughout the region. Chances are this is a fatigue crack which has worked it"s way through the grain structure until it caused failure. Older parts have naturally aged and that lowers ductility. Lower ductility = brittle. That"s what sunk the Titanic, low ductility iron hull plates, embrittled by poor microstructure and low temperatures resulting in large holes on impact.

Brazing is often the only way to do repairs and success is hit and miss. Repaired parts crack due to localized temperatures ramping up and down that create more stress and more cracks. Gradual heating of a wider area followed by a slower cooling cycle helps quite a bit. Whatever you do it should be gradual. No water quenching.

If there is a tool and die shop in your area that does repairs on cast iron Permanet Mold casting tooling, they will have experience with iron repairs and would be good to talk to. Cast iron dies are getting more scarce due to repair difficulties but they last quite a while and there are still shops out there that can do repairs.

Good luck

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george md

01-14-2005 10:47:38




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 Re: 1928 compresser ,cast part broke. in reply to oliverdave, 01-14-2005 06:25:19  
Dave,

The best method of repair is oxy/acetylene
cast iron welding, but it will require a torch.
Next best is brazing and the worst choice is arc
welding . I have never tried furnace brazing , would think it would be difficult to control temp.

george



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