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Andy

06-27-2003 23:11:42




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I want to put a layer of something on my driveway that will set up hard when wet or dry. I am thinking either crushed granite or crushed concrete. The factors that are important to me are: resistant to washouts in heavy rains, stays firm after heavy rain,and something that stays put when plowing snow. wondering how others like both of these options. thanks




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Deas Plant.

06-28-2003 18:46:09




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
Hi, Andy. I was going to suggest the crushed granite (3/4 minus or 3/4 all-in, whichever they call it around your way). However, after reading Ludwig's post on recycled asphalt -- which I have not had anything to do with -- I think it might also be worthy of investigation.

With crushed granite, you need to put it down in at least a 4" layer, preferably 6", and roll it in well with at least a heavy smooth drum roller but preferably a vibrating smooth drum roller. You need to keep it moist but not saturated during this rolling process. Do NOT roll it dry as this will only succeed in cracking and breaking up the layer and turning the top to powder.

When it is down hard, you then need to wet the top immediately ahead of the roller until there is actually a light slurry on the top of the rock.
Keep rolling this until it starts to dry out and then get off it altogether and let it dry by itself. This won't normally take more than 24 hours or thereabouts unless you have rain. A bit wind and sun helps too.

This process of 'slurrying' squashes all the bigger (3/4" big?) stones in to the surface of the pavement and leaves it generally pretty smooth and resistant to anything but heavy run-off. At this point, if you so desired, the road would be ready for tar sealing and stone chip topping.

With any road, sub-grade and drainage are the keys to a good job. Drainage is the protection of the road after completion and the sub-grade is the foundation which will determine if your road will or won't stand up to traffic.

The sub-grade should ideally show NO soil movement under the heaviest load that you will ever be likely to put over it, i.e. tractors, loaded trucks, heavy floats/lowboys or whatever your heart desires (Known as proof-rolling.). Don't settle for proof-rolling your road with the family car -- it just won't cut it.

You can do the same thing with recycled concrete but it is not as hard as the granite and does not usually give as good a finished product.

Roads are a lot like empty buckets -- you can only get out of them what you put into them.

Hope this helps. E-mail me if you want.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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ShepFL

06-28-2003 07:31:03




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
Andy -
I have no experience with either but I plan to used crushed limestone as it is the predominate stone here in FL. Another consideration is "slag", down here welding slag is sold as road covering but it is spendy - $180-$225 for 18 yds.

To David-OR's point try to do it right to reduce your on going maintenance time and costs. I am currently rebuilding my drive now that house construction is complete. That HEAVY equipment can really tear up a road.

Below is a link that I have found useful concerning road building.
HTH

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Ludwig

06-28-2003 06:47:33




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
The best thing I've ever seen used is recycled asphalt. Sometimes its hard to get, because here anyway when doing any state highway they have to use a minimum of like 50% recycled. Summer is the time to get it though.
You put that down and then on a good hot day run a roller over it. It'll pack down just like real pavement again. Amazing stuff.
Even if you don't run a roller over it it stays better than anything else I've ever seen.
At the Rod and Gun club we would put 10-20 yards of gravel on the road every year and every spring it'd wash and the road would be almost undrivable. We put on the recycled pavement 7 years ago and haven't touched it.

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Josh

07-03-2003 19:29:07




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 Re: Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for dr in reply to Ludwig, 06-28-2003 06:47:33  
That stuff is awesome!!!
Around here (Eastern Washington) they grind the ruts out of the ashphalt freeway and then overlay it. Well the "grindings" are probabally really similar to your recycled asphalt. I worked on a crew building a runway for a local farmer's crop dusting plane. Lay it down at noon on a hot day, grade it well and roll it and its like a pro paving job. Way better than wasting your time with gravel.

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John A

06-28-2003 06:15:10




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
Andy, Here in central Texas, in the hill country porition, we have 2 camps. Ones with access to Calaiche (soft limestone material) and the other who have access to Granite gravel. Our Calaiche does the same as Pitches crushed Limestone. packs extremly well. Its only drawback is excessive dry periods when it will powder up and try to leave by either wind or wash away when it rains again.
Granite is easy to handle,spread, roll out, makes a very nice road. But in dry times it ruts , and washboards extremly. The couny roads that still have this that aren't paved are examples of this.
I have seen guys do combos down here, have a callaiche road they put a thin layer of chip to help hold the top in dry times. Best thing is a rain or a water truck to go down your road in mid-august then repack the road.
You didn't say how long your road was so a lot of this may not be relevent. I have 1/2 mi of road that I maintain. Hope this help!
Good Luck,
John A.

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David - OR

06-28-2003 06:14:17




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
Use 3/4 minus (with fines and dust still in it) and go over it several times with a vibratory compactor. If the weather/material is really dry, having a water truck to wet it down will improve the compaction. Pay attention to crowning and drainage so rain and snow melt can't puddle on the surface.

You can get a nearly maintenance free surface this way. Just "tailgating" the rock onto the road doesn't work nearly as well, regardless of what material you choose.

I used to have to order 20 tons of rock every year to fill in the washouts. And the driveway was always rough. Spent the money to do it right, and haven't added rock in 6 years.

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MarkB

06-28-2003 04:02:15




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
If you have a large driveway, crushed concrete can save you a fair amount of money over crushed rock. Concrete packs down well and usually has enough dust in it to set up hard.

No matter what you use, you'll drag some off when you plow. Crushed concrete and crushed limestone are better than granite in that respect, because they pack down smoother. Granite tends to have a lot of sharp edges that your plow will snag.

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Pitch

06-28-2003 02:28:00




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 Re: crushed granite or crushed concrete for drivew in reply to Andy, 06-27-2003 23:11:42  
Around here we use crushed limestone probably because that is the predominate rock in the area. I buy what is called contracters crush which is all sizes from #2's down to dust. The stuff runs 8 to 12 dollars a ton. After that roll on a 1/2 inch of stone dust.After a couple of rains the surface is almost like cememt. I have never used crushed concrete but I think that it would tend to keep breaking down and you would end up tracking it all over.

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