Wet Stacking Question

ScottNC

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1975 885 w/AD355. If a diesel engine exhibits evidence of wet stacking can the condition be addressed by increasing the operating temperature?

An incorrect thermostat (engine temp never raised above 130) was replaced about ten hours after an engine rebuild with a new thermostat with an indicated open temp of 172 and indeed the gauge never reaches 180. There was still residual nasty black evidence of wet stacking left in the manifold after the new thermostat was installed so I threaded the rain drain hole and installed a screw to keep the mess off the alternator until the manifold dried up. Removing the muffler occasionally showed the condition in the manifold much improved but I never bothered to remove the screw. I recently noticed some wet smudge where the manifold joins the muffler. I had removed the muffler to shorten it to clear the overhead door to the equipment shed. I was surprised to see the muffler largely sooted up inside. In fact, if the divider between the lower and upper muffler hadn't deteriorated I don't see how the exhaust could have gotten through. I knocked the rusted hole in the divider as large as I could and have used the tractor with what is basically a straight through exhaust. Even in hot weather after several hours of mowing there is that wet smudge coming from the muffler/manifold connection. The engine starts easily, even in thirty degree temps and runs great. At 80+ hours after the rebuild with the oil level never dropping below the full mark the oil was changed. Ran it all this year oil still on full. Oil is still clear. No smoke except right when the throttle is snapped open. I can only deduce I either don't run the engine hard enough or the coolant temp is too low to completely dry the inside of the exhaust manifold. Interesting that when the engine was in so poor a condition that it would not start even in ninety degree weather without starting fluid - the exhaust was bone dry.

This post was edited by ScottNC on 12/26/2022 at 07:29 am.
 

This doesn't directly answer your question/solve your problem, but diesel engines need to be loaded/worked.

If you were working the tractor at half rated HP or more the exhaust system would be heating up so moisture and combustion products wouldn't be condensing out and the exhaust system would quickly clean up.

In other words, while making the cooling system run warmer certainly wouldn't hurt getting the exhaust HOT will do a lot more to end ''wet stacking''.
 
I think you may have the wrong thermostat. What is the OEM 's recommendation for a thermostat? Most diesels I am
familiar with have 195F thermostats in them but I would defer to what the manufacturer recommends.
 
(quoted from post at 16:49:25 12/26/22) I think you may have the wrong thermostat. What is the OEM 's recommendation for a thermostat? Most diesels I am
familiar with have 195F thermostats in them but I would defer to what the manufacturer recommends.

All of the sources I checked with show a 172 thermostat to be correct. And I agree with you, it seems a bit on the cool side. I recall reading something about being careful not to let the DB AD355's water temp get over 200. If that is true a 195 thermostat would be iffy.

Just did a bit of internet rolling - I couldn't find a 180 or a 195 listed for the 885.
 


"hot weather after several hours of mowing" could get it hot or not. "mowing" encompasses a very broad range of work loads.
 
what tractor is this engine in? It's hard to believe you have a diesel engine that's wet stacking with a 172F
thermostat and the OEM only has a that thermoststat available for it.
 
Are you regularly working it hard? If you have the correct thermostat then you are most
likely not working it hard enough.
 
(quoted from post at 15:36:23 12/27/22) what tractor is this engine in? It's hard to believe you have a diesel engine that's wet stacking with a 172F
thermostat and the OEM only has a that thermoststat available for it.

David Brown 885. I freely admit the engine doesn't see much of a load. 90% of the "work" it does is hauling orchard waste in the loader bucket or bush hogging. Rarely does the engine speed exceed 1500 pm. Back when it would not start without ether due to poor compression from badly worn exhaust seats and valves the exhaust was bone dry. What I am calling wet stacking is wet gooey black snot coming from the between the exhaust manifold and the muffler. There is not a steady drip, drip but enough that the alternator has a decided patina. I might try rigging a radiator curtain to increase water temp, run it for a while and see if there is a difference.
 
(quoted from post at 08:01:43 12/28/22)
(quoted from post at 15:36:23 12/27/22) what tractor is this engine in? It's hard to believe you have a diesel engine that's wet stacking with a 172F
thermostat and the OEM only has a that thermoststat available for it.

David Brown 885. I freely admit the engine doesn't see much of a load. 90% of the "work" it does is hauling orchard waste in the loader bucket or bush hogging. Rarely does the engine speed exceed 1500 pm. Back when it would not start without ether due to poor compression from badly worn exhaust seats and valves the exhaust was bone dry. What I am calling wet stacking is wet gooey black snot coming from the between the exhaust manifold and the muffler. There is not a steady drip, drip but enough that the alternator has a decided patina. I might try rigging a radiator curtain to increase water temp, run it for a while and see if there is a difference.


With this additional description of how you use it, it is apparent that the engine is "wet stacking". Understand that higher RPMs is not related to load or engine temp. A curtain can make the radiator retain heat, but when the engine doesn't rise to the temp where the thermostat opens the radiator is not in the picture. I had an 885 for a few years, but I upsized due to getting larger implements.
 

As previously stated . 195F coolant . All injectors popping at the proper pressure with the ideal spray pattern . Straight weight 40 low ash SF-2 motor oil .
Won t stop the wet stacking but will reduce it .
 
(quoted from post at 21:53:34 01/17/23)
As previously stated . 195F coolant . All injectors popping at the proper pressure with the ideal spray pattern . Straight weight 40 low ash SF-2 motor oil .
Won t stop the wet stacking but will reduce it .


Are you indicating that a higher temp thermostat will raise the coolant temp of an engine running with only a light load?
 

Sometimes the engine will warmup with a hotter stat. How about going to an electric cooling fan if putting around is all that is done .
 

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