Ford 7710 Alternator troubles

Al King

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I offer this as it may help others. My neighbours have a Ford 7710 tractor. The original internally regulated Lucas alternator failed and a new replacement was purchased from New Holland. The replacement is a SPS with little or no installation instructions. It mounts correctly but they couldn't get it to work. The tractor has a temperature compensator under the battery box. They had joined the 2 wires for the compensator together removing it from the circuit. I found that the SPS alternator could be made to work by adding a 1000 ohm resistor in series with the sense lead. I suspect the compensator is a thermistor and that the voltage to the sense lead is less than typical battery voltage. Probably the internal regulator in the SPS alternator is reading the voltage across a resistor network. So when you apply battery voltage to the sense lead it reads it as being high and the regulator shuts down the alternator.
This nonsense is typical in that the wiring diagram tells you nothing usefull and the alternator doesn't come with instructions either.
 
I've got a 5610 that came with a Lucas alternator that used the battery tray sensor. Yes it is a thermistor that changes resistance with heat.

I checked mine and the thermistor was in the 200 ohm range. You might try replacing your 1000 ohm resistor with one in 200 range.

I got rid of the Lucas on mine and replaced with a Delco 10SI 3 wire. Fabricated brackets for it and the wiring was simple. Eliminated the battery sensor and used charge light to excite the Delco. Been on several years and has given no problems.
 
I checked the output voltage and it's 14.2 so I'm going to leave it alone. The alternator that was sold to my neighbours from New Holland has the label SPS and the part number 165-27108. It's 12v 70 amp and made in China. They were stuck with it, New Holland wouldn't take it back. If it was my tractor it would have had a Delco installed.
I just posted this in case someone else ran into the same situation. There doesn't seem to be much information available on this Alternator.
 
It appears Select Power Sources (SPS) is a trademark of Dixie Electric, they may or may not be using currently. A search on the Dixie site for 165-27108 brings up an alternator used on Ford tractors among other applications.

https://www.dixie-electric.com/catalogue/unit.asp?Num_Ext=165-27108#App

A different alternator number but a box showing SPS labelling from Dixie Electric found on eBay.

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I would say the dealer got him a Dixie Electric aftermarket alternator. Maybe that is what NH supplies for some now? Contacting Dixie may get some info.

This post was edited by Jim.ME on 11/01/2022 at 07:17 am.
 

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