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Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts

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Banditfarmer

12-14-2013 05:39:18
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Well I have to say I agree with you BUT I also see the flip side of the coin. In the U.S.A. there are so many laws on the book and insurance reasons parts cant be made to fit perfectly. Patten laws for example make it hard to make parts fit perfect.

Here is an example, Lets just say you start making and selling grill guard for the 4020 and it fits like a glove, I mean perfect. You have taken the time to make sure that it fits lets say 100 different 4020 so you can say its an exact fit. You sell 1000 of them and make $40 each profit. Now Mother Deere finds out what you are doing and says OH NO YOU DONT! They slap a big law suite on you and covers you up in legal costs and shuts you down. In the end the judge tells you if did not make a perfect copy of Deeres part you would not have had these problems and wouldn't be broke now. This is why aftermarket parts don't fit perfect, They have to be made just enough off to keep them out of trouble and still be able to make and sell parts.

It aint right but that's just the way it is now a days. I myself have to use aftermarket parts to make it and get by because I am not a BTO with deep pockets. If you want perfect fitting parts buy OEM parts and be done with it.

I really do get tired of people trashing aftermarket parts "That they AINT good enough". They can not be made the same as OEM for legal reasons that's why they have to be made off a little. I am sure that they get plenty of calls from guys just like you complaining about the fit every day, And the funny thing is they can not do anything about it but take it because its the only way that they can make the part and sell it.

So you can spend the big bucks and buy OEM and get the perfect fit, Or buy aftermarket a lot cheeper and make it work and be done with it. Its up to you! Bandit

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cale gauger

12-17-2013 19:41:50
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to Banditfarmer, 12-14-2013 05:39:18  
aftermarket parts not made in the USA but sold here don't have any problems with patten laws. harbor freight sells knock-off Honda motors and Honda parts fit perfectly. enough said.



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B-maniac

12-14-2013 21:17:51
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to Banditfarmer, 12-14-2013 05:39:18  
Well, I wasn't even going to get into this until this morning when I plowed the drive with Ferguson that I had just put a "new" TSC temp guage on yesterday. Thought it would be a good test to see how it worked. Well you guessed it. Oh it wasn't that it registered wrong or slow or any of them "good" faults, no it never budged. This, after carefully routing the capillary tube out of harms way and even protecting it in plastic wiring conduit and doing a real neat install. No, I didn't try it out in hot water first. I'd like to think of myself as being somewhat of a positive thinker when it come to new parts. Unfortunately I can't just "alter" this and make it work. It was the last in a loooong to do list on this tractor/snow blade and I was feeling pretty good about that ....well not so much now. I absolutely HATE doing things twice. For two cents I'd just get an electric one with sender unit and forget this old capillary tube crap.

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Banditfarmer

12-15-2013 07:24:01
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to B-maniac, 12-14-2013 21:17:51  
BTDT! I went through 4 SW temp gauges before I got one that worked, These came from a big truck parts dealer that sells a lot of parts. I will agree that there are aftermarket parts that are better than OEM and some that are just junk! Its a crap shoot buying them. Its kinda like this, To say the aftermarket industry is all bad and junk stuff is wrong.

Just think about how many aftermarket parts you really use without thinking about it. How many of you out there have gone to NAPA or other parts places when the starter or water pump goes out of the tractor? Do you go to the dealer to buy ALL the oils and filters for your equipment and trusty old pick up? Did you buy that tune up for the Oliver 88 from AGCO? When the back rims on the old 4020 went bad did you go to JD to get factory replacements? I could go on and on. If you don't buy it from the dealer then it aftermarket, Plain and simple.

So before you bad mouth aftermarket parts and call them all junk just think about All the parts and stuff you buy that you use every day that did not come from the OEM dealer. They all make good and they all make bad. Just something to think about. Bandit

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newgenjdcollector

12-14-2013 10:10:38
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to Banditfarmer, 12-14-2013 05:39:18  
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I never really thought of it from that angle. But patent laws do run out. I believe the period is 7 years. You have 7 years to market your idea without anyone making an identical copy of it. After that period expires there is no protection. Any company can manufacture it. With that said, I don't see the validity of your arguement that parts makers must make their parts different in some matter to avoid getting into trouble with the oem. Most of the parts we buy are restoration parts for tractors that are 40 or 50 years old. I doubt on a 40 year old NLA part whos patent ran out in 1970; if deere really cares whether the bolt hole pattern is the same as theirs was or not. Afterall, Deere is one of the worst ones when it comes to borrowing/stealing/profiting from ideas of others.

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jimg.allentown

12-16-2013 07:48:54
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to newgenjdcollector, 12-14-2013 10:10:38  
It is a fact that patents and copyrights do eventually run out, but the period of time is in question. Depending on whether the item is copyrighted or patented has a bearing on the lenght of time that it is protected. Patents generally do run out after 7 years, but can be renewed by the owner of the patent - but there are limits on renewals as well. Copyrights are another matter. Copyrights on branding can be perpetual. Aftermarket parts that too closely resemble originals could be considered in violation of branding copyright if there are elements of branding included in the part. Even so, copyrights generally last for 20 years or more.

The main difference as I see it between patents and copyrights: A patent is to protect an innovation from being copied by unauthorized means. A copyright protects branding and intellectual property from unauthorized copying.

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Banditfarmer

12-14-2013 16:27:46
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 Re: My Rant About Aftermarket Parts in reply to newgenjdcollector, 12-14-2013 10:10:38  
True, However all they have to do is make one small change at the end of the patent and they can extend it another 7 or 14 years. The other thing is would you want to go up aginst a company as big as Deere that can tie you up for years and years in the courts just to make a point to you. That's why all the aftermarket parts company have to make changes even if its holes drilled off center. The devil is in the details. Bandit

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