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Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel

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John

11-16-2003 08:30:03
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Hey guys:

I'm needing help on the engine for a pulling tractor. I'm wanting to run a larger than stock turbo (Air Research TO4). I'm tinking of running a Schwitzer 3lm or a Holset HX-40. The problem comes in when I add this turbo to my blower, If I make too much boost, I will snap the shafts in the blower. Is there anyway I can put the turbo's air in front of the blower's inlet to the engine? What can be done to my stock supercharger to hold all of the extra pressure? I know I can get enough fuel by swapping out injectors, I just need this air solution fixed and I know this problem can be overcome :) Farm tractors and semi's that run Detroits run VERY well and this tractor will be no exception.

Any/all help is appreciated.

John

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Craig

12-18-2003 19:57:44
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 Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-16-2003 08:30:03  
If you want 200 HP you need to start with a 4-53T engine, it has a different crank,rods, cross head pistons, your 1900 probably has a two valve head, needs 4 valves per cylinder.



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A.P.

11-17-2003 09:38:04
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 Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-16-2003 08:30:03  
John, you should be able to make 200 horse with a stock turbo. Install a bigger set of injectors and go to town. I know of one with a stock (GM) turbo mounted under the hood of a 1900 making close to 200 horse and it barely smokes. Pay attention to restrictions on the intake and exhaust side.

Good luck & let that Detroit Sing!
A.P.



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John

11-17-2003 09:57:05
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 Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to A.P., 11-17-2003 09:38:04  
A.P.:

What will have to be done to my supercharger (if anything)? I talked to a diesel mechanic at the local community college and he said not to worry about it too much. He showed me their 8V-71 with it's huge turbo going into the supercharger. What did Detroit use for their stock turbo's? I'm thinking of running a Holset HX-35 off of a 5.9L B series Cummins engine. Which injectors would i go with?

Keep the ideas coming!

John

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A.P.

11-17-2003 12:17:18
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 Re: Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-17-2003 09:57:05  
You need to find some one with a good set of parts books. Find out what size of injectors are being used on the highest rated 4-53T (roughly 175 HP unless there are a couple special applications that have higher ratings) and then jump up two sizes. Don't worry about the supercharger other than making sure it is in good shape (seals and bearings). You will not need to make a lot of boost to make 200 horse or better. I believe that factory 4-53 ran a TO4 but you will need to find out specifically what model. It doesn't have to be a big turbo for 200 horse. The Holset may work, but I don't have any flow maps to see how it matches up.

Are you rebuilding this engine? If so, use a set of liners and pistons out of a 4-53T. It will drop the compression slightly. Don't worry about bypassing the blower. Are you planning on still working this tractor in the field? Where are you located?

Good Luck!
A.P.

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John

11-17-2003 17:59:35
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to A.P., 11-17-2003 12:17:18  
AP:

It would be strictly a pulling tractor. I'm not going to rebuild it, as it seems to run pretty good and has very little blowby. I'm trying to decide whether to fix it up as a puller or fix it up a little and re-sell it as a collector's model, as it is a 1960 model checkerboard. I'm in Southeastern Ohio.

John



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buickanddeere

11-17-2003 00:25:14
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 Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-16-2003 08:30:03  
How much power do you need? 155HP is no problem and is still within factory specs and without significant smoke.



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John

11-17-2003 04:28:36
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 Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 11-17-2003 00:25:14  
I'm wanting at least 200.



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two stroke joke

11-16-2003 09:10:30
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 Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-16-2003 08:30:03  
Start withthe blower. They can be gear to spin faster, telfon tips make seal better. later silver 92's had a blow bypass, but I don't think it would help if you have "enough" supercharger. also, "71" piston, X heads will fit, I don't think you can get "92" in there Good luck



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John

11-16-2003 10:04:45
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 Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to two stroke joke, 11-16-2003 09:10:30  
Two Stroke Joke:

Where do you get your teflon tips and gears at? Would you still turbo it or just try it this way? Someone told me about the 92's and the bypass blower, they said that I would need to switch to that blower if I wanted to run high boost but they said that the 92 series blower would not bolt up to the 53 block. Can you install some by-pass valve or something into my supercharger?

What kind of tractor do you pull? How far can I take this engine up to? Have any other good advice. You can always e-mail me also.

Thanks,

John

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jumping jack

11-18-2003 11:05:07
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 Re: Re: Re: Hopping up a 4-53 Detroit Diesel in reply to John, 11-16-2003 10:04:45  
Detroit had a 4-53T engine with a by-pass blower on it. The whole purpose of the by-pass valve was to send a higher boost pressure by the rotors into the air box. This set up would solve all your concerns on rotor damage, because under a full boost situation, the turbo is packing all the air in the air box, not the blower. A lot of the log skidders ran a 4-53T engine, so you should be able to find you a good blower, all other hook ups are the same. Hope this info helps you.

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