ohio tractor pulling

I know I sure don't. I like going to a
pull and being told the rules had changed
and I couldn't pull. Except in a fast
class,where I would be on small tires and
just top cut. LOL
 
Yeah I would, nobody is uniform and this speed limit with open
rpm is crap, got one that's gonna throw em off though lol
 
Personally I like open rpm and the speed limit because it opens up a small cube option to compete with the big cube guys. The only thing that needs to happen is a push for safety equipment for the higher rpm. As far as the rest, I agree that Ohio needs to get on the same page, especially on tires because the limits are all over the place.
 
Rules my opinion:

1 No whinning or cry babies!
2 20'' drawbar
3 4 mph speed
4 no rpm's
5 15.5 thru 6000 18.4 up
6 Any cut on tires (or class of top cuts)
7 One warning after 100 ft.
8 Safety blanket all tractors
9 Steel flywheels all tractors

Note, there has been some discussion on several clubs of raising RPM'S to flat rpm (2300-2600) for all tractors. My opinion is I fear of the guy that wants to come to a pull that is very stock (1500 stock rpm's) old worn engine and is being TechEd and someone is going to be hurt.
 
If I am going to spend money on all the safety
equipment I sure as hell going to run faster than 4
mph. If there is enough interest why don't a group
write a set of rules and make it a traveling circuit.
Have it setup like they do with truck classes. The
promoter agrees to run the 2-3 classes. And
everyone can go pull under the rules.
 
Maybe I'm just old school, I believe 20% over is plenty of rpm, and before anyone jumps at me I have a steel flywheel , I've run Oliver's and farmalls recently acquired a 570 cockshutt it will bury a 5000rpm tach scares the pajebus out of me, by our local rules I can run it in stock 4mph as long as I'm not running cut tires, one place says open rpm other place says no "excessive" rpm so difine excessive, I'm gonna run it in unchecked cause that's where it was built to run, after I put a blanket on it too lol
 
(quoted from post at 00:02:37 11/17/15) does anyone want the rules to be easy? weight-tire size- hitch height-speed?
O YOU GUYS WANT TALK WE NEED A PLACE TO START RULES, CLASSES,AND PLACES.
 
I'd be game, know both clubs down this way southern Ohio
glenford and new lex Ffa would probably be willing to help just
to get numbers up
 
If I am going to spend money on all the safety
equipment I sure as hell going to run faster than 4
mph. If there is enough interest why don't a group
write a set of rules and make it a traveling circuit.
Have it setup like they do with truck classes. The
promoter agrees to run the 2-3 classes. And
everyone can go pull under the rules.
 
I was only trying to give my opinion on a starting point for rules for discussion. Just my opinion. I did not spell out the weight classes (2500?- 14000?) speed 4-6-8-12 why h--l yea!!!! Spend $15000 building your tractor and fuss over spending money on the most important build of any modified tractor. I know of guys that have attended pulls with unchecked rpms and have wound them pretty tight and didn't have a steel fly wheel or blanket. If a tractor explodes and someone is injured it will affect all of us. JUST MY OPINION!!!!
 
Like I said it was a starting discussion only and a opinion. Pretty strong language on your response. Both of my feet are on the ground.
 
If this class is going to cost $15000 to build for we are wasting our time getting it started. The younger generation will not be able to do that. We can pull turbo classes for that price.
 
Your comments are very negative. I could have said $10,000. I know what you run and if you are honest on every item you have spent to be competitive you will have over $10,000 with tires, rims, (more than one set) engine build (I seen your previous posts telling people to have Baker or Murphy's) paint, tack's, weight brkt's etc. I have talked to guys that pull garden tractors that easily get close to 10 grand in them just to have some fun. We don't need to discourage the younger pullers, we need to encourage and help even it means getting them started in pulling. I'm 76 and have seen a lot of changes since I started pulling in 1954.
 
I am talking about rules like
usap,Bob.rules should be safe.but
3mph.6mph.8 & maybe 12. People who run 8mph
will not run 3 or 4. It would be to go
different areas and pull let's try too get
some big pull 300+ hooks some add money. 4-
5 pulls
 
We have the same hopes for the younger generation. I don't know what you think I have nor does it matter. But it does not matter what you or me have invested the next generation will not spend $5000 to pull old tractors. We as the older generation need to except some non tradition classes. Maybe a turbo class or some kind of V-8 class as much as I dislike like even saying that. They want smoke and speed. We all know this is not a cheap hobby. That is why I built a turbo tractor. The $10000 I spent gets me down the track at 18 mph and blowing smoke. Not trying to be negative but realistic. Thanks for discussing with me. Sorry to who started this post I feel I kind of high jacked it and that was not my intent. Good luck on your rules
 
CAN'T NEVER PLEASE MORE THAN ONE ,MOST WANT WHAT THEY HAVE AND ARE NARROW MINDED SO PLEASE OURSELVES,ENJOY AND STOP THE DAMNED WHINING.Pull where your tractor fits the rules or stay home or put on your own pulls,Tunica rules are for only several places in the south,no where,not many at least allow the sort of unsafe hitches,that may be used there and at Princeton.
 
First of all what are you even bud we are talking Ohio and local in top of that, not tunica which I will be attending with my w6 that has correct hitch or board member helping me without your bs comments when i asked about , these are "our" local issues we were chatting over if it doesn't pertain to you keep on keeping and shut your da*n mouth my name is Ryan fisher 740-503-5814 so how bout you call me if you'd like to discuss it further be glad too
 
Yep I totally agree on safety it's only take one time and insurance would be sky high or possibly pull would get shut down
 
Illinois has classes similar to what your talking about, 15.5 cuts 45-6500, 4 mph, also if you looking to the bob pulls are drawing 15-20 for every class pretty good color variation too
 
To characterize the Tunica rule set as area specific is incorrect, when you have tractors from all over the US and representing NATPA and USAP-style rule sets running heads up and competing closely with one another. A NATPA legal tractor has won the 7250 KOH in Tunica multiple times and the lighter classes have been dominated by USAP style tractors as of late if memory serves me right.

Tire size/cut, ground speed, and rpms will always level the playing field, no matter if the tractor is from 1949 or....even....1979. You just have to enforce the rules.

It may boil down to what the insurance policy for X club will allow and how much you're willing to pay for open speed and rpms, with the provision that there's documentation of steel flywheels, tie bars, and sfi blankets holding stuff together.

There's really no need to get in a fuss when discussing this, we need to remember the "tone" of a comment is lost often when it's typed. Exchange ideas civily, make something work, and you might find me standing on the track taking pictures with a new club.
 
5353 I apologize I kinda that what said like a jab a my hitch
question a few months back, I apologize believe I did take it
wrong , I pull where I should and do everything I can to be
safe and some these guys run cast flywheels with open rpm
and no blankets etc, and as far as my hitch it met specs for
local but nationals rules it didn't stuff like that concerns me
 
Bryan,no way are my comments picky on any one,any rules or specifics,however the FACTS ARE THAT THE CONFIGURATION and PHYSICS of the hitches allowed there are different from most areas in the States. YOU MISSED MY POINT ENTIRELY 180 DEGREES !!! Of course the legal NATPA tractors can pull there,but the ones that utilize the "other" style of hitch can not pull where safety issues are addressed.And to the guys and gals that feel safety issues do not apply to 3-4 mph classes should educate themselves,have pulled in many venues around the country,have seen several small slow low hp tractors tip over backwards onto the sled.
 
Here is the way I look at it. If I compare building a (approx) 400 CID 4 cylinder vs a 4 cylinder build for the class the Ron proposed, here are the rough numbers you are looking at:

[u:d50ec339a2]Big Cube 4 Cylinder[/u:d50ec339a2]

Camshaft: $300.00
Crankshaft $1,500.00
Head work $1,600.00
Block Boring/sleeves $2,200.00
Custom Pistons $600.00
Custom Rods $800.00

Total: $7,000.00

[u:d50ec339a2]Medium RPM engine[/u:d50ec339a2]
Camshaft $300.00
Head work $500.00
Custom Pistons $600.00
Custom Rods $800.00
Steel Flywheel $800.00
Blanket (used) $100.00

Total: $3100.00

I am sure I may have missed a few odds and ends and you can argue any of my numbers but you get the idea. RPM can be done safely, it just puts a little more on the tech committee. And if you want to get the younger generation in, allow rules for them to blow smoke with a turbo. The cool thing about speed limits is it makes it so everybody can play and be competitive.
 
To characterize the hitch issue as a Tunica-specific issue is to ignore that the vast majority of the competitors are NOT from the Tunica area; where do they pull the other 362 days of the year? You actually hit the nail on the head for a point I was going to make: the tractors I have seen, be it in a few photos or video on facebook or youtube have been near-stock or stock tractors that have tipped over. I've only seen one almost go over, a bone stock, improperly weighted tractor and a young lady that hadn't pulled before, which is a dangerous mix before the clutch is let out. Interestingly enough the tractors that Ive seen go over in photos or video were 3500# max based on their size.

The reality is YES the physics say that some of the hitches out there CAN be dangerous; in practice however you'll see some over-engineering that overcomes that deficit. I agree-the hitch should have the top mounting point be below the centerline of the rear axle, and that the hitch, wheelie bars, and seat should be independent of each other. No question do I agree with that and thats the only hitch style I would use personally.

To go back to the original point of this thread, again: tires, speed, rpm, and a good safety rule set are the jumping off point for a good class. ENFORCE THE RULES. Every good pull I have ever attended had someone there that for lack of better phrasing was an a--h--e and made sure things went as they should. There were some pullers that didn't like the enforcement but you can't argue with someone enforcing rules in black and white. Also, like the NATPA or not, their rule set is pretty bulletproof and is a good starting point. In keeping with the idea that tires/speed/rpm level the playing field, I'd honestly like to see a class opened up to 1970 or older. The first tractor I ever drove on my own was a M Farmall but I spent more seat time in 1970's models Fords and Masseys. A lot of people my age (42) identify with newer stuff and that might bring some new blood in that we need in the sport. I also say this as I have a 59 model Massey that is getting ready to be a guinea pig for The HOOK.

My .02 and don't spend it all in one spot.
 
You have to remember ONE thing. Bryan sees a lot more pulling in one year than most of us do in 10. And yes I pull with several clubs and Safety should be on the top of the list of all things considered. Running high rpms has always been a problem. We've all seen hitches that make you shake your head and wonder. Someone always tries to push the limits for an advantage.
 
Good for you glad you can show your true colors to world and fact have no tact at all, I've delt with people like you my life in the show pig business, people are pretty good at telling what are they know and how to do stuff the. Ya show up at county fair state fair etc to see they what the final product is and your very disappointed with their knowledge by the way does !!! Mean your mad? Ps I put my real name and number out there like to do the same?
 
I stated facts,mr butt head770,not my opinion,meet me on the track,my record speaks for itself,it stands high in many places.I will not lower myself to call someone with no class,good judgement or wisdom.I get to express myself,here as do all others,so if you can not win and just whine,--meet me on the track.
 
Thought you didn't read my comments any this has gone on long enough but I'd be glad to share a trailer to tunica with ya just give me a shout be good conversation on the long ride, if you do come up with some good info on the subject of Ohio pulling feel free to chat it up
 
Tunica was brought up by others,not me,Bryan said that NATPA has a good set of rules to think about,I see someone mentioned ILL. also,so not sure why Ohio is a site specific issue,rules adopted from other successful venues makes sense.Good luck on the not so heavy clay track.Happy Thanksgiving to all and stay safe.
 
Let me be a little more specific, sorry I wasn't before: the rpm set for divisions 1-4 as well as the safety/general rules with regard to those classes are pretty darn good, though I think div 3 needed a little more tweaking on engines that didn't get done this past meeting---but thats ok, the majority of membership in the meeting was happy and thats what matters. The 8mph cap on d4 thats in its trial run speaks for itself with the numbers that are there, a really good move. Divisions 1 and 5 are up for review this time and there is unique opportunity to make some positive changes and rebirth two dead classes...NOW, not 3 months from now, is the time to start talking about changes and build a consensus when the meeting convenes in March. With a few changes in the D5 for example set you could see a 40-80 hook shift in numbers to the good per event, something to think about.

I'm about numbers and inclusion, thats how I keep my job after all.
 
Thanks Bryan,you are a great "Liaison". New blood is hard to attain with all the high tech electronic new gen,the last twenty yrs.or so of pulling was the old generation that mostly grew up with the tractors we pull,even with that said,we have a very hard time keeping rules uniform across the country,even though that was a request yrs. ago from many. The NATPA was born,grew and established a very fair and competitive set of rules.However many venues adopted some,most or all with special rules for local areas,picking and choosing the rules that they wanted to follow,some unification but no standard for sure. IMHO,no set of rules will fit everyone every where.Top cut classes came on board because so many choose to "groom" their tires,classes that are becoming more widespread. RPM's are always an issue,so some places require a three wire plug to check as we go. A hard job to promote,police and put on a pull let alone have tech that matters,again NATPA pulls address that issue very well.I thank all the people,towns,promoters,sponsors,board members and attendees for a place to pull,have fun,local or far and a chance to make new friends in the face of good competition.Tractor pulling has been America's fastest growing motor sport with most areas hosting several pulls each weekend in a 100 mile radius.Many pulls I attend have hook numbers from about 80 to upwards of two hundred.Good job to all.One thing for sure is that never will all the pullers agree on the rules !!!!!
 

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