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I am nearing the end of a project and would like to share some pictures as a primer for a new part that should soon be available for the Minneapolis Moline pullers.

I've been working with several people on port and chamber development, a pattern maker, foundry, etc. These heads have much improved porting, combustion chambers and are designed to look and fit as originals but perform much better. They have water jackets also.

Here's a picture of the new head and an old original. Bear in mind that these pictures are of raw castings. Currently I'm in the machining process of turning the castings into pieces ready to accept valve train.
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The flow tests from a CNC machined model made in the development process are as folows

2.375" Intake valve
.100 lift 93.1 cfm
.200 lift 160.4 cfm
.300 lift 240 cfm
.400 lift 296.7 cfm
.500 Lift 332cfm
.600 lift. 361cfm
.700 lift 398.5 cfm
.800 lift 434.5 cfm

Exhaust valve of 1.9"
.100 83.9 Cfm
.200 151.1 Cfm
.300 216.8 Cfm
.400 265 Cfm
.500. 294.3 Cfm
.600 318.3 Cfm
.700 323.2 Cfm
.800 326.1 Cfm

These are peliminary numbers taken from the model. The heads will accept smaller or larger valves than what I posted above depending on the application.

For those of you not famulular with the numbers, it's going to take a big engine, or a high RPM one to utilize these heads as well as the related parts in the induction system.
 
Those look real good, after you get those going you need to recast some case 870 gas heads :) Nice job on those so far.
 
MLskanky, jjust contact your local foundry. Your cast iron forging abilities you spoke of on unnofficial Allis will probably help them alot!!!!
 

CC's of the chamber will depend on machining. I'm not going to give a number at this time. They are made to work on 5 1/2" bores or larger. The deck is thick enough though that one could mill some off to make the chamber align with a smaller bore.?

I have some port pictures but nothing good enough to post. I'll try and take some pictures this week and post, I dropped the castings off for heat treating and I think they're ready to pick up when I get there.

The intake port is a long sweeping radius to the valve bowl and is split about half way out with a dividing vane to keep uniform port volume. There's also a vane leading up to and after the valve guide.

I need to cut one up and send a sample head to a few people and get one at a few larger events.

I have no idea yet how I'll sell them. As machined castings, finished and ready to install or if I'll go another route yet. I'm also not going to get into price yet, that depends largely on what I want for my time and the development and pattern costs and how the finish machining goes. The problem is that most people don't know what they want.

I would like to build 870 Case next....we'll see.

I'm
 
Readers dont be afraid of purchasing the large head as cast for your antiques . I can make it work well for you if left as cast blank
 
I had heard of this project through the grapevine but was unclear of who was doing it. I would like to talk to you about these heads. 308-940-0255 I dont see an email listed you. Thanks Jeff
 
(quoted from post at 06:41:24 02/02/14) i thought you told me on the moonpie post praire gold wasnt your color.
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It isnt the color I choose to pull but a cylinder head is a cylinder head and shop has alot of equipment in it for me to work on cylinder heads as a cylinder head porter . I just thought since I can make the head work on a antique I would offer my services so the market for this cylinder head wouldnt be so limited I get work and the one who cast them sales increases.
 
you right but from some of the older posts on here about you i think i would stay with the moline builders. w150 nothing against you cause i have seen and read some of your posts and you do good work. panky all you did was critize everything that w150 did in the past and now you want to know how he is doing something. i dont think i would even thing of giving you any of my know how if i was him.
 
I know the patterns are expensive, the ones I did for the MM blocks were. have you thought about doing them in alum. yet like I do the blocks?
 

Well I suppose alumnium would have it's advantages now wouldn't it....just maybe the patterns were made to work with alumnium also. Maybe they weren't.

price... How much do I want for my time? How many heads will sell? How much do I want to profit and what are the raw costs of the inputs, pattern work, port development, scanning, digitizing, machine setup, programming, fixtures, machining, raw casting costs, parts involved etc.

I do not want to give a figure at this time but I will say that my goal from the start was to make them affordable. To take a good old head casting and machine, port and masage it into a part ready to go on your puller can cost thousands when finished. My best estimate for price at this point in time is less than the cost of working over an original and this is a far superior design. Price really won't matter, they are not going to be unaffordable. If they were $7500 they would be unaffordable, no one would buy them and if they were $750 I'd go broke selling them. They will have a similar price tag to other "new recast" heads available for the other colors. Honestly I'm estimating less than $2000 but more than $1500.

I likely won't sell them myself directly. I hope that someone else who is a reputable supplier takes care of the finish machining and marketing.....I'm in that process right now. I'm busy with my kids, life, business and farm. I'd rather not deal with many people.

I threw this thread out there to make people aware of something that is comeing available one way or another. By the looks of it, some of the phone calls, etc. some of you are interested and fired up.
 
(quoted from post at 07:48:03 02/02/14) you right but from some of the older posts on here about you i think i would stay with the moline builders. w150 nothing against you cause i have seen and read some of your posts and you do good work. panky all you did was critize everything that w150 did in the past and now you want to know how he is doing something. i dont think i would even thing of giving you any of my know how if i was him.
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d plowboy when dart or brodix edlebrock or anyother head manufacturer comes up with a better bigger head they dont limit it to one cylinder head porter but mass market it so any cylinder head porter the general public chooses to use can purchase and do his skillful tallents to. The public that wants me sends stuff to me .the public that want lw goes to lw the public that wants baker goes to baker and so on. Plenty of porters to choose from plenty of work for everyone. Variety is the spice of life someone once said.
 
that is why i stick with LW but i bet he wont tell anyone his secrets cause why would he want someone else to do the same he does and cut his business down. that wouldnt make since so if he has a better design he keeps it to himself.
 
thats absolutely fine and apreciative of going to one and sticking with his ideas. You would be quiet surprised if you knew how many call from shop to shop wanting another shop to kick around what they interpeted from last shop they talk to. My experience isnt with the brand name moline . However I have had alot of experience making to large of intake runners work well . Ever since bo moorehouse purchased a fourty grand nascar engine built for charlotte motor speed way and adapted them to smaller dirt tracks in our area.
 
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I'm curious as to what your particular skill set and background may be? I have had various conversations with the for mentioned "builders" here and they all told me the same thing. Well not exactly the same thing, some said you are an idiot, others popped a 7 letter f-word front of the word idiot.

We've had various run ins in the past and each time I have to explain things many times over so you don't get lost. Other times I have to explain basic information that your "online character" should know. Things like mach index speed of sound....rember you thought you can pass air through a port or carbuerator venturi at supersonic speed. Simple geometry like the offset can bushing ordeal.

A few months back a kid posted some pictures of a Moline diesel engine with some problems here. You started in on telling him it was an Allis 226 gas "quench" engine.....you've got no clue. None. Lay off the booze, meth or whatevrt the cause of these episodes may be.

I'm certain your only skills are coming up with lies and BS. There's also no one coming to bat for you. None of the reputable builders and knowledgeable people and no "customers" from your fictional machine shop with your imaginary Gleason crankshaft welder and flow bench.

I'm Norwegian, they have fictional characters there called trolls. I've done my good deed for the day and fed my troll named pankey
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I've got a billet one from Indy for a IH engine. It's pretty good, but could be better.

Those numbers came from a CNC machined model made from modeling board that had to get destroyed to pull the core prints from for the patterns. Then some slight changes had to be made to make the patterns. I'll have to test the casted ones when done.

I had tested some 4232 heads that were done from Heims aims (spelling) then I did a pile of work to them cutting the port out, filling and chamber work. The chamber really holds these Molines back.
 
yep u and andy have to talk to builders cause you need their services. After all I dont know if I would trust a fellow that doesnt know 21190.45 fpm is 350 fps or 28 inches of water as u didnt know in the story of lim . You and andy should look on gov.right to know so you can figure out my job title at the nuclear plant. I recon I & mike tarbill share same occupation so its safe to say I and mike where reading airflow before you and andy could spell air.lol
 
(quoted from post at 11:18:13 02/01/14) The flow tests from a CNC machined model made in the development process are as folows

2.375" Intake valve
.100 lift 93.1 cfm
.200 lift 160.4 cfm
.300 lift 240 cfm
.400 lift 296.7 cfm
.500 Lift 332cfm
.600 lift. 361cfm
.700 lift 398.5 cfm
.800 lift 434.5 cfm

Exhaust valve of 1.9"
.100 83.9 Cfm
.200 151.1 Cfm
D.300 216.8 Cfm
.400 265 Cfm
.500. 294.3 Cfm
.600 318.3 Cfm
.700 323.2 Cfm
.800 326.1 Cfm

These are peliminary numbers taken from the model. The heads will accept smaller or larger valves than what I posted above depending on the application.

For those of you not famulular with the numbers, it's going to take a big engine, or a high RPM one to utilize these heads as well as the related parts in the induction system.
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dieselbear I dont even see a reference as to what the test depression reference cfms were derived from.
 
(quoted from post at 04:52:00 02/02/14) Readers dont be afraid of purchasing the large head as cast for your antiques . I can make it work well for you if left as cast blank
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Well you are in a wonderful position to prove to us you are a genius!!!!! or an idiot.

I talked to the pattern maker today and the foundry again. I have castings poured, the gating on the patterns has been finished, I'm heading out in the morning to pick some up.

I can have more castings within a matter of days, It's just a matter of saying I want more and them working it into a run, they pour several days per week.

You can purchase a casting directly from me, you can have it in a matter of days (check clears the bank) work your magic and post the numbers.....if you do better than you're a genius and the heads are great. If you can't then I guess someone's smarter than you.

It's time to pony up the money. I'll send you a set of castings with the agreement that you video document the work you do (you said you could do it, that's why I quoted the post) and post it for us to see, upon completion you will send the finished product to an independent firm called Induction Research for testing as he's well recognized by the large name manufacturers and his word is taken as the truth and unbiased.

When you are done I have several buyers waiting with cash in hand, so you will make some money (don't use that as an excuse) you just have to be willing to do the work and put the time in to be a genius....but that's how it goes in everything in life. I doubt you're that ambitious or intelligent. I've laid out a chance for you to prove that you are.

PS, those numbers above were taken at 28"h2o.
 
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(quoted from post at 04:52:00 02/02/14) Readers dont be afraid of purchasing the large head as cast for your antiques . I can make it work well for you if left as cast blank
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Well you are in a wonderful position to prove to us you are a genius!!!!! or an idiot.

I talked to the pattern maker today and the foundry again. I have castings poured, the gating on the patterns has been finished, I'm heading out in the morning to pick some up.

I can have more castings within a matter of days, It's just a matter of saying I want more and them working it into a run, they pour several days per pweek.

You can purchase a casting directly from me, you can have it in a matter of days (check clears the bank) work your magic and post the numbers.....if you do better than you're a genius and the heads are great. If you can't then I guess someone's smarter than you.

It's time to pony up the money. I'll send you a set of castings with the agreement that you video document the work you do (you said you could do it, that's why I quoted the post) and post it for us to see, upon completion you will send the finished product to an independent firm called Induction Research for testing as he's well recognized by the large name manufacturers and his word is taken as the truth and unbiased.

When you are done I have several buyers waiting with cash in hand, so you will make some money (don't use that as an excuse) you just have to be willing to do the work and put the time in to be a genius....but that's how it goes in everything in life. I doubt you're that ambitious or intelligent. I've laid out a chance for you to prove that you are.

PS, those numbers above were taken at 28"h2o.
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why so low a depression? I hope you looked at them at a higher depression also. After all you posted they were for a really big inch motor or a high rpm engine t should mean a engine with a high volumetric effeciency / ve.
 
(quoted from post at 04:54:31 02/04/14) If my calculations are right Panky. That is a DOUBLE DOG DARE!!!
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ounds to me that if he has decided to sell them to the people whos calling him a set will eventually find their way to my shop . That way it loosens up my funds to purchase more newer shop equipment.
 
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(quoted from post at 04:54:31 02/04/14) If my calculations are right Panky. That is a DOUBLE DOG DARE!!!
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ounds to me that if he has decided to sell them to the people whos calling him a set will eventually find their way to my shop . That way it loosens up my funds to purchase more newer shop equipment.
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PS its a way i can educate my ungreatful pupil wi . I know he is learning I see him regurgitate the tid bits of knowledge i send forth to him on the other sites.
 
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(quoted from post at 06:41:24 02/02/14) i thought you told me on the moonpie post praire gold wasnt your color.
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see here's another post you made.....6pack is right, but with this it should up the anty to a tripple dog dare! :idea:


What you waiting for big boy?

Anyone want to place any bets on pankey taking me up on the offer? After all in this quote he's begging to offer his services and so far he's only shown the ramblings of a moron.

Forgive me guys, I'm not responsible for your damaged keyboards this morning when you laugh and spit your coffee out.
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(quoted from post at 19:37:01 02/01/14) Whos recasting them? I would like to contact them.
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The foundry will not deal with you, the castings are only available from me. The foundry wount sell you pieces unless you oen the pattern that they are useing to set up the molds.

I'm not sure if I'm up to a 4 dog dare yet or not (let us know 6pack)

But I will even offer to wave my development costs for you pank, one time offer for a casting and the ability to prove yourself. With the advent of modern technology, electronic payment forms and overnight shipping in roughly 24 hours you can have one in your hands. My accountant is more than willing to accept any forms of monetary payment.

If that's to slow for you I'll be in Minneapolis this morning, I have various friends who are either trans atlantic pilot, train pilots, guys in the shop....I bet I can send a few texts, pull some strings and have one on a plane to an airport near you by mid day...

I must be the nicest guy in the world to lay out an offer like this. I'm like a golden lab, blonde and naturally happy.
 
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(quoted from post at 19:37:01 02/01/14) Whos recasting them? I would like to contact them.
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The foundry will not deal with you, the castings are only available from me. The foundry wount sell you pieces unless you oen the pattern that they are useing to set up the molds.

I'm not sure if I'm up to a 4 dog dare yet or not (let us know 6pack)

But I will even offer to wave my development costs for you pank, one time offer for a casting and the ability to prove yourself. With the advent of modern technology, electronic payment forms and overnight shipping in roughly 24 hours you can have one in your hands. My accountant is more than willing to accept any forms of monetary payment.

If that's to slow for you I'll be in Minneapolis this morning, I have various friends who are either trans atlantic pilot, train pilots, guys in the shop....I bet I can send a few texts, pull some strings and have one on a plane to an airport near you by mid day...

I must be the nicest guy in the world to lay out an offer like this. I'm like a golden lab, blonde and naturally happy.
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Ok just to stir the pot :twisted: :mrgreen:

Why not have a contest, like a biker build off. Sell tickets. Winner takes all after put on a flow bench...
 
That is exactly why I offered to sell him some raw castings....I even offered to wave my fee that is associated with the develpment up to this point, I even had a wonderfull shipping offer in there.

My troll choked as I knew he would. He stated that he needs the money to buy newer shop equipment. He was unable to come up with a few hundred bucks to buy some raw castings that he's been bragging he can massage into works of art. That's to bad in a sense, he once claimed that his shop had 5 full time employes working. Imagine the profits he could make from this deal, with such a little initial investment. It would help them secure their next meal....though I'm not sure what imaginary Smurfs (or whatever they may be) eat.

I've already laid out the work, the time and the money to get thus far. I'm married to the project and need to keep pushing ahead no matter what setbacks or modifications may be needed as encountered.

He's full of hot air and BS. It takes time, money and work to have parts to show off, but it only takes an idiot to post BS and make himself a fool in front of everyone.
 
you remember the posts a while back where he showed what happened to his allis chalmers puller that he built. i think he needs to stay clear of the real puller engines like the moline big cubes and leave them to the moline pros.
 
The hillbilly troll gets pretty darn quiet when the offer is put on the table... What happen Spunk, skeered? Can't find your flow bench?



These heads looked real nice when I looked at them in the shop a month ago. Marty's work is top notch.



Where's your Gleason?
 
ML,It was just a few yrs.ago that you were bad mouthing Tarbill about what poor engines (JUNK)he built.So what is the story now??
 
The story I read was that he bought an engine from Tarbill. This Tarbill fella was doing well with the engine so Mitch bought it....he bought a winning engine. Then downhill from there, the engine was junk, according to his posts.

Well Mitch thought he could do better so he built his own engine....5 runs and boom.

So was Tarbills engine junk, or did Mitch wreck it? Lets see here, I'm a logical person so lets think for a second....This Tarbill was doing fine and maybe Mitch didn't know what he was doing, he wrecked a winner and wrecked his own. Or did he just desigh his own so poorly that it wrecked itself? I like the post thanking everyone for working on his timebomb...for a guy with all this allegid experience things just aren't connecting well for him.

Logic... that's all I'm sayin.


One of my problems or potential problems working with this cylinder head can be a similar scenario. Lets say I sell a set to puller X and he runs them on a large engine, he's got a worked over Peterson manifold and a huge carbuerator with enough work done to make power. He has awesome luck with the combination.

Now puller Y thinks he needs a set of heads. He's planning on building an wngine to run some outlaw class and he buys some heads for it. He runs out of time, money or ambition but wants to use these heads he bought. He puts them on his 500 cid engine, cast manifold with asthma issues, his carb is good enough to feed 80 hp...it's governed to run 1600 rpm and.he goes backwards and looses power from what he had with a reasonably stock set of heads.

I suppose it's my fault and I'm the idiot in puller Y's story. Puller Y maybe didn't know that he shouldn't do that, he starts telling people that the heads are junk.

Like I said before, I just don't want to deal with everybody, a lot of people simply don't know what they want, they just want to do whatever puller X did.
 
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another lengthy post starts out bashing ends in ypu giving self prasial . Jason last.night said you ever wonder why a cylinder head porter ,caster with a flow bench and a llss tractor hangs around the antique sights ? He seams to think its your lack of knowledge that keeps you on the antique sights verses the competitive pulling sights that have flowbench forums .I asked why you tested head at such a low depression got no responce dieselbear ask cc of ports got no answer .you have no answers just bashing and self boasting. If I had a llss tractor and the leaders in tractor pulling had a web sight with a flow bench forum and was as dumb as you are in on cylinder head flowing but wanted to win in the llss division I would spwnd my time lurking those forums. I tried to tell you two years ago that 28 inches of water had been way surpased. . Testing at 28 inches of water is like testing a tractor that you want to pull at speeds across the midle of 20 mile an hour but doing your 30 test hook and data collecting at a speed of one mile an hour. Its a impressive pile of,data but useless. My folowers google convert 4psi to inches of water column thats a good test for a 100 to 125 percent ve naturally aspirated. As for the llss a low boost of 10 psi equates to 276 inches of water. When you start figuring your flow bench out and racking up first place finishes everywhere give andy a big ole kiss I will know its to so me the appreciation I respdctfully deserve from you for sharing useful tid bits of knowledge to you that you can regurgitate on antique forums to look as intelligent as I am. Ps this lengthy post of bashing at first then self gratification at end is all I have learned from wifi posts
 
another lengthy post starts out bashing ends in ypu giving self prasial . Jason last.night said you ever wonder why a cylinder head porter ,caster with a flow bench and a llss tractor hangs around the antique sights ? He seams to think its your lack of knowledge that keeps you on the antique sights verses the competitive pulling sights that have flowbench forums .I asked why you tested head at such a low depression got no responce dieselbear ask cc of ports got no answer .you have no answers just bashing and self boasting. If I had a llss tractor and the leaders in tractor pulling had a web sight with a flow bench forum and was as dumb as you are in on cylinder head flowing but wanted to win in the llss division I would spwnd my time lurking those forums. I tried to tell you two years ago that 28 inches of water had been way surpased. . Testing at 28 inches of water is like testing a tractor that you want to pull at speeds across the midle of 20 mile an hour but doing your 30 test hook and data collecting at a speed of one mile an hour. Its a impressive pile of,data but useless. My folowers google convert 4psi to inches of water column thats a good test for a 100 to 125 percent ve naturally aspirated. As for the llss a low boost of 10 psi equates to 276 inches of water. When you start figuring your flow bench out and racking up first place finishes everywhere give andy a big ole kiss I will know its to so me the appreciation I respdctfully deserve from you for sharing useful tid bits of knowledge to you that you can regurgitate on antique forums to look as intelligent as I am. Ps this lengthy post of bashing at first then self gratification at end is all I have learned from wifi posts[/quote]



You got booted from AC forums for a reason. Do we really need to start this here? When you post ANYTHING that has quality or truth in in it you might find some respect. Until then you continue to get the village idiot award. Do we need to post the pictures of that externally balanced crank pulley with pigeon piled scrap metal gobbed to it? How about that cobb job oil cooler that is unnecessary on a WD engine? How about the bucket of parts that came out the bottom of your "race" engine ? Do we really need to get into this? Can you post the video is the toothless hillbilly flipping the switch on the balance machine? That will be good for a laugh again.


Marty must have poked a nerve when he mentioned the Tarbill's engine that you made into a pile of scrap.

The offer was put out there with the cylinder head. Quit side stepping like you always do and take on the challenge.


The only flow you have is coming out of your a$$ with hot air.


Where's your Gleason?
 
I have people work for me and I thank them . Tarbills engine came to shop eveyone who saw it pull or pulled against it knows it blew water out the stack to the point of being called a steam engine. The sleeves were so loose I pulled them by hand and the liquid glass had stuck the ring so bad to the 4 5/8 pistons that they were junk. I bored the block 4.950 and installed biger sleeve and new piston. This engine did find its way on the cover of hook magazine several times it did win the natpa points championship with those issues being evident to other competitors and spectators . So what does it say about the other builder ,pullers who lost to it .
 
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It says Tarbill built a good engine and you bought it from him....then it got destroyed. You could buy a winning race car, but it doesn't mean you'll win. It means you couldn't figure out, want to or were unable to build a winner.

logic, apply it.

Get it right also, I run a lss, not a llss tractor, there's roughly a 2000 hp difference there. I'd think a llss is around 1200-1400hp, but that's just a guess. I really have no idea how much power we make when things click togather for the night. probably somewhere in the mid 3000's.

As far as me poking around on here, I have a product to sell, this is the place do it...it also gives the forum another chance to laugh at you. No one's steped up to bat for you yet. Just sayin.

I think you should take us some pictures of your airflow testing equipment, I'm sure the readers would like to see it. Is it a genuine Shop Vac? I hear Wall Mart (the armpit of society) has a sale on them. Don't forget the Gleason. I haven't recieved my payment yet for the castings either....you got some business to take care of, quit spending your time on here being a fool and work twards the genius stage. It's a long hard road. The groundwork is set, after all, I've done the hard work to get the project this far.
 
Hi Marty, just curious as to the current time frame for completed heads. If ordered soon could I depend on delivery for spring pulls or no?

ML why don"t you the life"s little aggregations elsewhere instead of mucking up others posts?
 
I may just take the time to start another thread with some detailed pictures and information to answer the legitimate questions some of you have. It would save some phone calls and long conversations.....but then again some of you have some strong "opinions" on a particular member here who is his very own sales prevention department.

As far as finished time frame, I'm still making a decision on how to move forward and what some options are. I'm really thinking though that I can have machined castings ready to accept valvetrain related parts in a couple weeks. At that time I'll have some measuring to do and order the parts for final guide liners, seat machining, spring pocket, etc. Simple straight forward stuff.

I'm not going to say they will be ready for spring pulling, but I will say that I need to get them out there as soon as possible without cutting any corners.
 
Thanks Marty,
We can work with lead time when we
know what it is.

I'm not getting any deeper into
this ML PANK affair other than to
say, ML, I dont know you from Adam
but if your trying to promote your
business or abilities your going
backwards not forward. If you just
here to stir crap I don't find it
humorous. Either way I would hack
away on a head myself prior to
sending it to you based solely upon
what you post on this forum.

No further posts on that matter.
 
(quoted from post at 06:32:43 02/06/14) Thanks Marty,
We can work with lead time when we
know what it is.

I'm not getting any deeper into
this ML PANK affair other than to
say, ML, I dont know you from Adam
but if your trying to promote your
business or abilities your going
backwards not forward. If you just
here to stir crap I don't find it
humorous. Either way I would hack
away on a head myself prior to
sending it to you based solely upon
what you post on this forum.

No further posts on that matter.
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its your opinion theres sae papers from ford floating around where they tested the 427 tunnel port for lemans at 5" hg that is equal to 68 inches of water in the early 60s
 

I need a junk Moline head casting from this family of castings to simply cut up, for showing some cross sections and taking some measurements to double check. One with valves would be better. I'm talking junk, frozen up, cracked or otherwise scrap metal. I have one complete and would like to keep one complete as well as one to section up.

I simply need to pull some dimensions to apply them and double check with the new one to keep the valve tip to head deck dimension very close to the original, rocker arm base to valve stem tip distance, etc. to ensure that original push rods, rocker stands etc. will work out without any further modification.

I'm really hoping in a few weeks to have some heads finish machined, the valvetrain parts on the way and have some cut away and demonstration pieces to send to a few individuals or get to some winter pulling events.

If you have a scrap cylinder head please contact me, 715-790-1869
 
this is a tractor discussion board we not talking race cars. just admitt it that wi50 has won this arguement and lets move on with the tractor stuff. he offered you a challenge and we havent heard you agree to it yet.
 


Well jd, out troll got pretty quiet and I still haven't recieved a check for castings......

On a serious note I sent a casting to a MM builder for some review and he had a couple small changes to make, eliminate 2 head bolt holes that are not used on large bore engines and eliminate the water holes going through the head deck.

I met with the foundry as they had some slight modifications to make to the water jacket pattern. They poured some heads and very shortly I should have another run with some slight modifications. There's a machine shop working up the program to turn the castings into machined pieces ready to accept valvetrein components, seats, etc.

I am doing my best to have machined castings and finished heads ready to make it to some of the winter events so people can see them in person.
 
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Well jd, out troll got pretty quiet and I still haven't recieved a check for castings......

On a serious note I sent a casting to a MM builder for some review and he had a couple small changes to make, eliminate 2 head bolt holes that are not used on large bore engines and eliminate the water holes going through the head deck.

I met with the foundry as they had some slight modifications to make to the water jacket pattern. They poured some heads and very shortly I should have another run with some slight modifications. There's a machine shop working up the program to turn the castings into machined pieces ready to accept valvetrein components, seats, etc.

I am doing my best to have machined castings and finished heads ready to make it to some of the winter events so people can see them in person.
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I thought you may have taken my advice and went to jamisons air flow school he hosted or went to pulloff and tractorsport flow bench forums but I see your stil wifi mcfly hanging around antiques with a llss .
 
Why is it that when someone makes a new part for the pulling world that one dumb a$$$ has to keep putting him down,why doesn"t planky or skanky or what ever just shut up and leave it alone?? If WI50"s parts don"t work then make a comment,or do as he offered,buy a set of heads,but just shut up!!!
 

Oh he's still worried about forums that closed 5 years ago and llss or lss not knowing the difference.

On a positive note plinko, you could buy your verry own llss (you did mention wanting one), go look on pulloff, there's a "winning" tractor for sale. You are bright enough to buy winners, I'll give you credit for that. You can turn them into junk in short order....oops we covered that last week. The best part about this "winning" tractor for sale is that I did a bunch of R&D work to transform the induction package into something that is fully capeable of winning on a national level. It wasn't to tough. Go check it out and see if your lunchpail job can support your wants. If not read some books, get a little smarter, move out of your parents basement and start pulling the antiques. Gain a little knowledge and work your way up.

Can you show us what you pull? I could dig up some pictures for you pank,
 
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Oh he's still worried about forums that closed 5 years ago and llss or lss not knowing the difference.

On a positive note plinko, you could buy your verry own llss (you did mention wanting one), go look on pulloff, there's a "winning" tractor for sale. You are bright enough to buy winners, I'll give you credit for that. You can turn them into junk in short order....oops we covered that last week. The best part about this "winning" tractor for sale is that I did a bunch of R&D work to transform the induction package into something that is fully capeable of winning on a national level. It wasn't to tough. Go check it out and see if your lunchpail job can support your wants. If not read some books, get a little smarter, move out of your parents basement and start pulling the antiques. Gain a little knowledge and work your way up.
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what pulloff that has scotts tractor forsale is a year old . Pts flow bench forum is still running to aka tractorsport. You going to buy scott out?. Nice you been trolling the sites though. Ive been in ralks with some, about coming out again teamed up . My lunchpall job pays 39.28 a hour so you can figure on your own with basic math what I can afford.
 
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Oh he's still worried about forums that closed 5 years ago and llss or lss not knowing the difference.

On a positive note plinko, you could buy your verry own llss (you did mention wanting one), go look on pulloff, there's a "winning" tractor for sale. You are bright enough to buy winners, I'll give you credit for that. You can turn them into junk in short order....oops we covered that last week. The best part about this "winning" tractor for sale is that I did a bunch of R&D work to transform the induction package into something that is fully capeable of winning on a national level. It wasn't to tough. Go check it out and see if your lunchpail job can support your wants. If not read some books, get a little smarter, move out of your parents basement and start pulling the antiques. Gain a little knowledge and work your way up.
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Can you show us what you pull? I could dig up some pictures for you pank,
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what pulloff that has scotts tractor forsale is a year old . Pts flow bench forum is still running to aka tractorsport. You going to buy scott out?. Nice you been trolling the sites though. Ive been in ralks with some, about coming out again teamed up . My lunchpall job pays 39.28 a hour so you can figure on your own with basic math what I can afford.
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ne more time wifi mic fly here's my machines here's my machine shop where is it u do your work?
 
We all want to see pictures of the tractor you pull, not someone elses shop.....hey where's the Gleason crank welder you said you have? how about the flowbench? The 5 highly trained people working there?

Get real, with shop equipment and knowledge you wouldn't be posting pics like this fine example of a front pulley. With a union job like that, you're going to need a pulling partner, after taxes, dues, cost of living the balance won't do much serious pulling. You'd better try and stick to your JD A and WD. Paying people to do your flow work, machine your parts will eat theough the balance pretty quick.
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(quoted from post at 16:41:32 02/16/14) We all want to see pictures of the tractor you pull, not someone elses shop.....hey where's the Gleason crank welder you said you have? how about the flowbench? The 5 highly trained people working there?

Get real, with shop equipment and knowledge you wouldn't be posting pics like this fine example of a front pulley. With a union job like that, you're going to need a pulling partner, after taxes, dues, cost of living the balance won't do much serious pulling. You'd better try and stick to your JD A and WD. Paying people to do your flow work, machine your parts will eat theough the balance pretty quick.
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it's my shop I sent video of my tractor to a kid you had believing I never pulled as for the other equipment I don't want to make you anymore envious than you are now. However it is flattering to have you so jealous . I see external balancing is something you still do not grasp . You may should get out of the family farm shed more
 
wifi mic fly I appreciate you opening post up for me to advertise my machine shop . Business has really picked up
 
When did you find time to build this masterpiece? That' right
guys, pank's pullinpull in machine...
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Well it was some testing . We were testing high presure oil pump with cooler. Something someone who doesnt pull wouldnt understand real world testing . They are more caught up in flow ball movements on a bench. My flow testing is done alot like allis testing video on youtube . The engine cylinder head, intake and carb is on is the block with actual bore and stroke at rpm creating piston speed and air pump.
 
(quoted from post at 01:17:30 02/08/14) this is a tractor discussion board we not talking race cars. just admitt it that wi50 has won this arguement and lets move on with the tractor stuff. he offered you a challenge and we havent heard you agree to it yet.
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You know pank, I've done several million dollars of business, I do the job and my accountant sends a bill sometime. She is a great collections agent also, but I have no payment deadlines and I don't charge interest on late accounts I do a job and never worry about getting paid.

I know one time you said you needed 1/2 down payment to order a simple set of pistons from someone else because you couldn't order them yourself.....sort of the middle man for the middle man if you will. I send engines and parts out all over the country, I never take money down and often the thing is shipped before I receive payment.

If you really want a set of these heads (to prove you're a genius) I could still send you a set. I still haven't received your payment, you're the only guy who I'd want a good check or cash in hand before sending parts to. But in this case I know you said you needed the money to buy shop equipment.....I've had a change of heart and I can spot you a set of castings so you can generate some revenue....

I can share a picture of two of the tractor I build and pull if you would like for comparison to yours, just ask....I know these guys laughing at you would like to see it.
 
I appreciate you letting me advertise my machine shop. I am into building engines . Bbc sb2.2 fords,mopar, allis chalmer ,briggs and straton, stihl , to motorcycles. Anything that races. I also know that flow benches dont race . Big numbers on bench at 28 inches of water can be dogs on engine . Back when you were in diapers I was talking to peewee williams rivershide machine shop owner. We were talking airflow and csa. He ran on pinks all out at bristol. He said I buy the heads with the largest csa I can find. He said it doesnt matter if I port them or send them to you or anybody else they always want to work them . I found that to be true when we did our first sb2.2 it had huge csa had over 400 cfm at 28 inches of water made well over 800 hp on dyno from 430 cubic inches but couldnt get out of its way on the track. Some belzona in some areas qiuet a bit of cfm loss at 28 inches of water 50 hp loss on dyno she went to qualifing with fastest elapse times. Real world testing is where it is . Anything else is just playing with computers. Seams to me ou get left with alot of unfinished products forsale. If you charged a grand down like I do on a 440 inch allis they migght not be as apt to leave them behind for you to have to try to sell . Instead I see them pickung up a finished product at my machine shop anyways.
 

I'm sorry but there's no way you know much of anything about airflow......you claim that airspeed up the the speed of sound through a port is beneficial. Would you like me to post the link for you to read what you wrote and tried to argue about for a week to defend yourself? You could review it for yourself and realize you need to lay off the shine or meth.
 
just up to .6mach on a running engine . How fast,is that ? How fast is 28 inches of water. Why do you test so slow . I ask again . 600 superflow is recomended by superflow totest at 25 inches which is even slower. I saw where a guy posted you was helping him test some valve grinds. Then when he realised and asked if you could simulate his turbo pressurizing and blowing through you were all out of time. Lol
 
Well if you read that thread you also read the part where they were very happy with the results........no one has come to bat for you yet...just sayin.

And today you say .6mach, like I pointed out to you..... you were claiming the speed of sound or 1 mach. At least you are learning from reading my posts. Look at the valve lash adjustment thread here....again you are learning.

"How fast is 28" of water?" You asked that question, but you don't even know enough to know that you don't know. The airspeed would be the result of size, density and volume. 28" of water is a simple pressure measurement, taken below the chamber. It is not an airspeed measurement....again practical experience, logic and learning will do you some good.

There's a pull coming up in Princeton Ind. They have div 1 and 2, you should have some old tractor to burrow from a neighbor that runs and you can go show us what you're made of. Craigslist is full of old tractors also if you can scrape together a few hundred bucks, ask your boss for a day off I'd invite you go attend an actual event and show us what you know.

Would you like to see my tractor? Yours looks like a portable meth lab.
 

I'm wondering what the detonation and octane requirement will be? There is less of a wedge head and quench there than stock.
Need to promote turbulence and interrupt a detonation shock wave before it spreads.
Assuming you are promoting 40 thou or less cold clearance between the piston and head?
 
You being uneducated read alot of bs into stuff. Yeah his
lack of knowledge had him happy untill he finds someone
who can simulate his turbo then he will truly know
happiness. .6 mach is closer to speed of sound than.3 . Up
close to or near isnt always .9999 but could be rounded up
if half or above. Anyways we covered rounding up in third
grade.nope no learning from valve lash post for me just another post I have to explain thoroughly for the lack of readers knowledge thinking through what I said.
 
wifi promotes quench even though I have had to point out to him over the years his builds dont have it .cause as you state .040 or less. I write stuff all the time to trip him up. Like once I posted fpm value without the fpm .he was quick to assume its was fps. Ron ask him how much boost his tractor runs ask him to convert that boost psi to inches of water. Ask him why he is testing at 28 inches of water. He will leave for a month or so
 
its ashame you guys are so trusting of a guy who cant calculate inches of water to a velocity . It can be done all day with formula . Or just a google search.
 
im not trusting him or you on anything or doing anything else. all i am saying is it doesnt matter who it is that comes on here to promote or try anything to see if it works or not then that is there business. as for me i dont know all of this stuff yall are talking about so that is why i spend money to guys i know can do the work i am wanting and get my stuff done. the way i see it is if wi50 does all this and it doesnt work then it is his time and money spent not anyone elses. if it works and he can make some money and help some people out that are wanting these heads then that will be good for him and the other man. i dont see why you or anyone else should get on here and critize what he is doing wheter it will work or not. that is the way he wants to build these heads and he should know before he started what and which way he was going to do them. again like i said it will only be his time and money spent if it doesnt work out so whether you a expert machinest or whatever let the man do the heads like he wants to and stop argueing with him about it. he has offered you a challenge panky and i think i am like all the others either take it and prove your point to wi50 or lay off the talking trash part. the ball is in your court now.
if you are such a great machinest like you say your are and have all the machines then let wi50 send you the heads and put it all on the line and show him up like you keep talking you can. let the flow test and the heads do your talking not the computer. we all getting tired of hearing it all.
 
(quoted from post at 10:50:54 02/17/14) im not trusting him or you on anything or doing anything else. all i am saying is it doesnt matter who it is that comes on here to promote or try anything to see if it works or not then that is there business. as for me i dont know all of this stuff yall are talking about so that is why i spend money to guys i know can do the work i am wanting and get my stuff done. the way i see it is if wi50 does all this and it doesnt work then it is his time and money spent not anyone elses. if it works and he can make some money and help some people out that are wanting these heads then that will be good for him and the other man. i dont see why you or anyone else should get on here and critize what he is doing wheter it will work or not. Ppthat is the way he wants to build these heads and he should know before he started what and which way he was going to do them. again like i said it will only be his time and money spent if it doesnt work out so whether you a expert machinest or whatever let the man do the heads like he wants to and stop argueing with him about it. he has offered you a challenge panky and i think i am like all the others either take it and prove your point to wi50 or lay off the talking trash part. the ball is in your court now.
if you are such a great machinest like you say your are and have all the machines then let wi50 send you the heads and put it all on the line and show him up like you keep talking you can. let the flow test and the heads do your talking not the computer. we all getting tired of hearing it all.
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wifi never took my challenge three years ago .by the way its a post you have to read it . It has no audio for you to hear at all. You have a choice obviously you choose to read it. Wi flow bench wouldnt see my perfection it only goes to 28 inches of water.
 

You're showing your ignorance again. Most flow benches will pull way more than 28" H2o...just sayin. If you ever used a bench, you would know that they do. Saying "it only goes to 28" water" is about as ignorant as you can get....

Rateings may be taken at XX depression, for example something may be rated at 600 CFM at 25" H2O. A certain head may flow 325 cfm at 28" H2O at a certain valve lift. A carbuerator may be rated at 500 CFM at 1.5" HG which is just over 20" H2O. Maybe I want to test a tractor carbuerator at 3" HG, I would do a little conversion and pull just under 41" H2O, give it a flow rating and use it for a certain application.

We typically use 28" H2O when comparing cylinder heads, 1.5" HG for carbs and 3"HG for single and double barrel carbs.

I even have pitot tubes, I can check localized velocity and make a port map.......

The numbers I posted earlier were taken from a Sanz-Jamison D-1000 flow bench, it's capeable of pul1000 CFM of air at 28" H2O, or for that matter 1170 cfm at 1.5" HG, if you want to do some mathematical conversions. This information was gathered by a professional company who specializes in cylinder head development.

I'm not sure if it sucks as much as pankey, but I know it's much better than his shop vac.
 

The information I posted above is basic, pankey thinking 28" h2o is air speed a few posts ago ia almost as idiotic as it gets.

I'm sorry for the extra post, but I'm trying to explain something to someone who doesn't even know enough to know what they don't know....I know you'll have to read that a few times pank. Try it and see if it sinks in, if it doesn't you've got a long hard road ahead lil buddy. Wear your helmit.
 
(quoted from post at 18:50:54 02/17/14) im not trusting him or you on anything or doing anything else. all i am saying is it doesnt matter who it is that comes on here to promote or try anything to see if it works or not then that is there business. as for me i dont know all of this stuff yall are talking about so that is why i spend money to guys i know can do the work i am wanting and get my stuff done. the way i see it is if wi50 does all this and it doesnt work then it is his time and money spent not anyone elses. if it works and he can make some money and help some people out that are wanting these heads then that will be good for him and the other man. i dont see why you or anyone else should get on here and critize what he is doing wheter it will work or not. that is the way he wants to build these heads and he should know before he started what and which way he was going to do them. again like i said it will only be his time and money spent if it doesnt work out so whether you a expert machinest or whatever let the man do the heads like he wants to and stop argueing with him about it. he has offered you a challenge panky and i think i am like all the others either take it and prove your point to wi50 or lay off the talking trash part. the ball is in your court now.
if you are such a great machinest like you say your are and have all the machines then let wi50 send you the heads and put it all on the line and show him up like you keep talking you can. let the flow test and the heads do your talking not the computer. we all getting tired of hearing it all.
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You know, I know and everyone else knows pank is nothing more than a blowhard. I knew when I issued him the opportunity to prove himself that he couldn't and that he's full of BS and hot air. I guess I was right, but it's no suprise there. By laying somewhat of a challenge out and explaining that there was financial gain, an oportunity to prove himself and knowing that he couldn't pull it off may be a dirty trick on my part, but it sure made for a good laugh for everyone. As well as one more time for him to choke for us.

He's doing nothing for himself here, but it does benefit me keeping this thread active, increasing exposure and potential sales........why do you think I made a post yesterday after the thread had been idle.

Maybe I should school you in business practices pank, wouldn't it be nice to not have to go to a lunchpail job and answer to a boss.
 
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(quoted from post at 18:50:54 02/17/14) im not trusting him or you on anything or doing anything else. all i am saying is it doesnt matter who it is that comes on here to promote or try anything to see if it works or not then that is there business. as for me i dont know all of this stuff yall are talking about so that is why i spend money to guys i know can do the work i am wanting and get my stuff done. the way i see it is if wi50 does all this and it doesnt work then it is his time and money spent not anyone elses. if it works and he can make some money and help some people out that are wanting these heads then that will be good for him and the other man. i dont see why you or anyone else should get on here and critize what he is doing wheter it will work or not. that is the way he wants to build these heads and he should know before he started what and which way he was going to do them. again like i said it will only be his time and money spent if it doesnt work out so whether you a expert machinest or whatever let the man do the heads like he wants to and stop argueing with him about it. he has offered you a challenge panky and i think i am like all the others either take it and prove your point to wi50 or lay off the talking trash part. the ball is in your court now.
if you are such a great machinest like you say your are and have all the machines then let wi50 send you the heads and put it all on the line and show him up like you keep talking you can. let the flow test and the heads do your talking not the computer. we all getting tired of hearing it all.
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You know, I know and everyone else knows pank is nothing more than a blowhard. I knew when I issued him the opportunity to prove himself that he couldn't and that he's full of BS and hot air. I guess I was right, but it's no suprise there. By laying somewhat of a challenge out and explaining that there was financial gain, an oportunity to prove himself and knowing that he couldn't pull it off may be a dirty trick on my part, but it sure made for a good laugh for everyone. As well as one more time for him to choke for us.

He's doing nothing for himself here, but it does benefit me keeping this thread active, increasing exposure and potential sales........why do you think I made a post yesterday after the thread had been idle.

Maybe I should school you in business practices pank, wouldn't it be nice to not have to go to a lunchpail job and answer to a boss.
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I would rather work than earn a allowance from daddys farm . You know you could get in trouble with irs if your running a machine shop in building thats counted as part of daddys farm. Learned that back in the 90s . I think I read though that your flowbench hadnt paid for itself . So I dont see the money your talkung about coming from machine shop . I dont play machinist on daddys farm. I own the shop and land I play in. have you figured out 28 inches of water is in fps or mph ? I aint asking to learn I know . Ps you can look at my storry of lim and get the formula for feet per minute . I know that screwed you up bad.
 
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(quoted from post at 18:50:54 02/17/14) im not trusting him or you on anything or doing anything else. all i am saying is it doesnt matter who it is that comes on here to promote or try anything to see if it works or not then that is there business. as for me i dont know all of this stuff yall are talking about so that is why i spend money to guys i know can do the work i am wanting and get my stuff done. the way i see it is if wi50 does all this and it doesnt work then it is his time and money spent not anyone elses. if it works and he can make some money and help some people out that are wanting these heads then that will be good for him and the other man. i dont see why you or anyone else should get on here and critize what he is doing wheter it will work or not. that is the way he wants to build these heads and he should know before he started what and which way he was going to do them. again like i said it will only be his time and money spent if it doesnt work out so whether you a expert machinest or whatever let the man do the heads like he wants to and stop argueing with him about it. he has offered you a challenge panky and i think i am like all the others either take it and prove your point to wi50 or lay off the talking trash part. the ball is in your court now.
if you are such a great machinest like you say your are and have all the machines then let wi50 send you the heads and put it all on the line and show him up like you keep talking you can. let the flow test and the heads do your talking not the computer. we all getting tired of hearing it all.
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You know, I know and everyone else knows pank is nothing more than a blowhard. I knew when I issued him the opportunity to prove himself that he couldn't and that he's full of BS and hot air. I guess I was right, but it's no suprise there. By laying somewhat of a challenge out and explaining that there was financial gain, an oportunity to prove himself and knowing that he couldn't pull it off may be a dirty trick on my part, but it sure made for a good laugh for everyone. As well as one more time for him to choke for us.

He's doing nothing for himself here, but it does benefit me keeping this thread active, increasing exposure and potential sales........why do you think I made a post yesterday after the thread had been idle.

Maybe I should school you in business practices pank, wouldn't it be nice to not have to go to a lunchpail job and answer to a boss.
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I would rather work than earn a allowance from daddys farm . You know you could get in trouble with irs if your running a machine shop in building thats counted as part of daddys farm. Learned that back in the 90s . I think I read though that your flowbench hadnt paid for itself . So I dont see the money your talkung about coming from machine shop . I dont play machinist on daddys farm. I own the shop and land I play in. have you figured out 28 inches of water is in fps or mph ? I aint asking to learn I know . Ps you can look at my storry of lim and get the formula for feet per minute . I know that screwed you up bad. Do you remember how many years its been that you shown that picture of scotts heads on a spring day when the grass and weeds would have been green.
 
Do I have you so worked up you're st sta studdering? Looks like it.

I'm curious if you're an adolescent or an under developed adult?

Anyways, I took those pictures in the green grass of heads I've been working on in september.....then after more work, re working and correcting things to the point of getting ready to lat them go I figured it was time to go public with the project now in febuary. Would you like pictures of them in the snow?

They aren't for any one person, they are for everyone. In case you don't know the rules, parts have to be available for anyone to purchase to be legal. Just think of the oportunity you've missed out on. Makeing heads for an individual wouldn't be very profitable or legal would it. If someone wants to buy them they are more than welcome. If I do some induction work on some of the best running tractors in the country and don't charge anything for it, there's no problem with the IRS now is there.

Of all the people I've had conversation with around the country they tell me the same thing.....pankey's an idiot. Sorry but I'm telling the truth.
 

I may as well take a few minutes and have a little fun this morning. Rile up our village idiot, feed my troll so he can spit up on himself again.

Well Andy, did I ever charge you anything for any flow work? If I made no money at it than there's no problem with the IRS now is there? How many others get treated the same way?

Pank's worried that I said I don't really make any money with my bench, it must be a sore spot for him, he did say he has to pay to have his testing done. That's money well spent pank, doing it yourself if you don't know what you're doing is a real waste of time and money. Truth is most of what I do is just helping people out, we all learn something from everything we do. I'm such a nice guy I even offered you castings with no profit in it for me didn't I pank...go back through and read this thread, skip your posts so you don't get confused again and just read mine.

I have to report my earnings from tractor pulling, the NTPA files a 1099 on my winnings. When I apply for a license I fill out the necessary paperwork so they can keep track of things. I bet you either never won $20 pulling pank, or never reported any winnings now did you. Shame shame I suppose.

Why is such a self righteous fella such as yourself pank getting his work IP adresses banned when getting kicked off forums? Seams to me if you're at work, you'd best be off the computer for personal reasons.....don't tell us you're on break all day. For $39 and change an hour the TVA isn't getting their moneys worth.


Last of all, relax, let things go. But should you want to go off on another tangent please feel free to do so, I bet I sold a half dozen of these heads yesterday alone. So I'd better get to work making parts
 
you know panky got kicked off the other forum for arguing and getting rude its about time to do something on here so the rest of us can learn something and not wade thru all the muck
 
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I may as well take a few minutes and have a little fun this morning. Rile up our village idiot, feed my troll so he can spit up on himself again.

Well Andy, did I ever charge you anything for any flow work? If I made no money at it than there's no problem with the IRS now is there? How many others get treated the same way?

Pank's worried that I said I don't really make any money with my bench, it must be a sore spot for him, he did say he has to pay to have his testing done. That's money well spent pank, doing it yourself if you don't know what you're doing is a real waste of time and money. Truth is most of what I do is just helping people out, we all learn something from everything we do. I'm such a nice guy I even offered you castings with no profit in it for me didn't I pank...go back through and read this thread, skip your posts so you don't get confused again and just read mine.

I have to report my earnings from tractor pulling, the NTPA files a 1099 on my winnings. When I apply for a license I fill out the necessary paperwork eso they can keep track of things. I bet you either never won $20 pulling pank, or never reported any winnings now did you. Shame shame I suppose.

Why is such a self righteous fella such as yourself pank getting his work IP adresses banned when getting kicked off forums? Seams to me if you're at work, you'd best be off the computer for personal reasons.....don't tell us you're on break all day. For $39 and change an hour the TVA isn't getting their moneys worth.


Last of all, relax, let things go. But should you want to go off on another tangent please feel free to do so, I bet I sold a half dozen of these heads yesterday alone. So I'd better get to work making parts
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so now where getting somewhere do you check your work at 40 inches of water ? Or do you just trust Improvements at 28 inches. . Refraim from the lovey dovey stuff and just answer question.
 
You're really not adressing any questions here pank. So why are you asking any? Yesterday you said my bench wouldn't pull more than 28" water and today you ask about 40" water from something you said couldn't do it.....You're confused again, and really don't know enough to know that you don't know.

I must add that's an impressive list of credentials you have there. You talked to a guy who raced a car that was on TV. Did you ask his kid for his autograph?

It's not fair for me to put up pics of your workmanship, you can add some pics of mine if you wish.
 
I have sent heads out to a few with genuine interest. I sent a sample part to hopefully be at the Tallmadge Oh event this weekend to view as long at the US Postal Service comes through on time. Not a finished part but something close enough to get a good idea of what the finished product will be.

After a little input from some, I've made a couple small changes also for the new batch of heads. The head bolts closest to the bore have been eliminated so the end user can locate them where needed on large bore engines.

The bottom deck of the head got lengthened slightly for better fire ring placement on large bore engines.

The rocker mounting post locations are getting widened for more material than the original heads had . This area is also solid and will be threaded deep to eliminate potential problems.

Slight changes to make the engine building go easier and a better, stronger and easier to use product available. I have not made any changes to the porting or chamber.

I plan on getting heads to other events, Lincoln Ne, Sigourney (spelling?) Ia. Hopefully I will have finished parts at those events to view.
 

There's a few people who have taken an interest in this project and have been working with me. One of them has been looking into NATPA approval to make this a legal part. Another works with a lot of engines running in various other associations or rule sets.

I've gotten very positive reviews on the port and chamber design. There's always changes that would make the head better for this application or that application but in the real world there's only 1 set of patterns to make the head from and I need to supply a part that will work for many different applications from that 1 pattern.

I'm set to have some finish machined pieces at some coming events. I'll have some finish machined pieces with a couple very well respected people. With any luck there will be a few engines out shortly with these heads on.
 

If you have an interest I. Buying heads, contact me and I'll let you know where and how to get them
 
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