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Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa?

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Travis M

03-09-2014 17:33:00
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Looks good, what tractor is it going to be in?




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LW

03-09-2014 17:52:02
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Travis M, 03-09-2014 17:33:00  
A 38 U just to be different, custom trans 4 gears equally spaced with a custom ring/pinion and differential with in the stock housing



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Dave Thompson jr.

03-10-2014 13:37:57
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-09-2014 17:52:02  
It wont run with the 5 stars or Gary Bakers Case.



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torch guy

03-11-2014 20:04:45
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dave Thompson jr., 03-10-2014 13:37:57  
I got a little ol UB that'll stomp a mud hole in either one and then stomp it dry. I gotta thousand dollars that says I'm right and your wrong. You wanna do double or nothing on the side? Split'm and hit me. Your goin bust.



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Dave Thompson jr

03-12-2014 14:19:48
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to torch guy, 03-11-2014 20:04:45  
I don't know who you are Sir but before making making bets do your home work. I have pulled with Gary Baker for years and have seen his Case pull. I haven't seen an engine that he has built run bad. Im running a Marlett engine and I would not be a bit scared to pull against your tractor. I will take that bet. That Case is tough. Put your money where your mouth is.



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Dieselbear

03-11-2014 12:03:20
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dave Thompson jr., 03-10-2014 13:37:57  
Funny



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Going to blow

03-11-2014 12:20:13
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dieselbear, 03-11-2014 12:03:20  
It would be pretty sad if a Moline motor 50% bigger than the Case engine didn't beat a 600 cu.in. Case.



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Dave Thompson jr

03-11-2014 13:57:35
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Going to blow, 03-11-2014 12:20:13  
I know I would put my money on the Case. And I never Gamble. Those 5 Stars are tough also very hard to beat if built correct.



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LW

03-11-2014 17:23:04
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dave Thompson jr, 03-11-2014 13:57:35  
I got 5k$ cash says no div4 case or M can make over 250 HP on my dyno.



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Dave Thompson jr

03-12-2014 13:36:08
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
Il double that bet. I have the money. You must be very foolish.



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Superih

03-12-2014 08:19:24
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
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I see what you did there, are you going to tell us more about your dyno?



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Case 400 puller

03-12-2014 10:24:10
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Superih, 03-12-2014 08:19:24  
Nice to see you're still alive Superih.



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Superih

03-12-2014 12:31:18
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Case 400 puller, 03-12-2014 10:24:10  
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Still kickin, miss seeing all you guys this winter but I'll see you somewhere down the road.



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Case 400 puller

03-12-2014 13:26:14
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Superih, 03-12-2014 12:31:18  
We actually haven't been to very many this winter either.



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Josh Blackburn

03-12-2014 04:59:13
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
At "your 2500 rpm" you're 5k in the hole. The issue with your 900 cube Minnie is its a time bomb on three mains. A 5 main case will live a long time



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jd plowboy

03-12-2014 14:02:42
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Josh Blackburn, 03-12-2014 04:59:13  
yall need to realize LW has built alot of moline engines. this is not the first one he built. he had the baddest gbd in the south.



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Unstylish

03-12-2014 10:07:12
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Josh Blackburn, 03-12-2014 04:59:13  
Obviously you haven't been around enough molines, josh. Bottom end problems are not usually an issue. Even at rpm. Think about it. They turn 2k in a 5 star under natpa rules. How many do you hear about breaking bottom ends?? Arts motor was together for HOW MANY YEARS? I could name off more names than most of mms with 7 or more inches of stroke that get pulled ALOT and most at 2500 that have been together for 5-10 YEARS!!!

And a Deere guy thinks something else is unreliable ??? REALLY?

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LW

03-12-2014 12:13:30
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Unstylish, 03-12-2014 10:07:12  
I got a 665 in SC that's 15-16 yes old



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Tim Yates

03-12-2014 10:42:30
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Unstylish, 03-12-2014 10:07:12  
That is funny stuff here. One person knocking a 900 cubic inch moline that is built to be very reliable ( yes I've seen it with my own eyes and it is real) saying a case and 5 stars will stomp it. The case runs well and so does the 5 stars but it doesn't sound like the person realizes this engine will bolt in a 5 star. Another person saying it won't hold up to 2500 Rpms. These big JD's break cranks so often these guys think it's common practice to get a new one every 3 years. Funny and entertaining.

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LW

03-12-2014 12:14:31
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Tim Yates, 03-12-2014 10:42:30  
Big YUUUP Tim



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Josh Blackburn

03-12-2014 11:03:27
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Tim Yates, 03-12-2014 10:42:30  
He claims that a case won't make 250 hp. That's what I'm referring to. 900 cubes on 3 mains is a time bomb. Deeres will run a long time if tuned properly and built correctly. I'm not calling him a liar on his estimated hp. It should make it, but to say only a moline can run 250 plus is bullsh*t. It takes more than a 7 inch crank to make 900 cubes fellas. You can't compare a 7 inch 700 cube moline to a 900 cubic inch one. John deeres break because people don't understand you can't put a 7.5+ bore on a 3 inch pin and expect it to live. 90% of g cranks leaving here have 3.5 pins. They may have been time bombs. Not anymore.

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jd plowboy

03-12-2014 14:09:46
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Josh Blackburn, 03-12-2014 11:03:27  
to much tv watching. you look at RFD and see a moline blow the bottom end out and yall think all of them will do the same. i saw a deere with my own eyes turning low rpms blow the side of the case out at a pull.



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MLPANKEY

03-12-2014 15:30:16
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to jd plowboy, 03-12-2014 14:09:46  
they do that from time to time . When they are built for power to win with. who built the one that blew on, rfd. However I do agree big power comes from south and goes north. Itso not bougt in the north and brought south. Only thing comes from the north to the south is disappointment.
This post was edited by MLPANKEY at 15:36:09 03/12/14 2 times.



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LW

03-12-2014 12:17:44
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Josh Blackburn, 03-12-2014 11:03:27  
I never said only a MM would make 250hp. I'm saying a Case with div4 rules, or M will... I bet the MM might not be but soon they will. So tell me more about how my 3 mains won't live???



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case 1175 puller

03-12-2014 12:27:48
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-12-2014 12:17:44  
Darrell Kusgens 5 star has to be close.



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Unstylish

03-12-2014 10:11:50
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Unstylish, 03-12-2014 10:07:12  
I forgot to say, of course 5 mains is better, but 2500 isn't a lot of rpm, especially without some sort of ridiculous compression ratio.



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LW

03-12-2014 05:12:50
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Josh Blackburn, 03-12-2014 04:59:13  
Tell me more about time bombs...Deere guy
I got MM down here been together 13-14 years or more no issues



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Jon Aller

03-12-2014 04:57:18
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
At Div IV RPM or 2500 or anything goes?



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case600

03-12-2014 02:11:24
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
save your money and get the tractor done.and pull the season with natpa div 4.and we will see how can get it done.



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case 1175 puller

03-11-2014 18:35:10
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 17:23:04  
I'll be down this fall for a pull on the dyno.



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LW

03-11-2014 19:40:35
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to case 1175 puller, 03-11-2014 18:35:10  
Look forward to taking your money



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A.P.

03-12-2014 02:06:12
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-11-2014 19:40:35  
I assume they get to run up to 2500 RPM - based on the local rules mentioned earlier.



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LW

03-12-2014 05:10:28
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to A.P., 03-12-2014 02:06:12  
No what I said was Div4 Should be exactly like they are there. But It wont matter if the cam small enough to make peak torque at 1500 its not going to help turning more. But we can change as you go since that's how y'all like to do it.



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Going to blow

03-12-2014 06:48:05
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-12-2014 05:10:28  
Not trying to stir anything up, but do the rules you run under only allow fabricated intake manifolds or are fabricated exhaust manifolds (headers) also allowed?

Thank you



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LW

03-12-2014 07:43:54
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Going to blow, 03-12-2014 06:48:05  
Headers are allowed have had no improvement over a good flowing exhaust manifold at rpm. Of course a restrictive exhaust manifold would not be the same. Most of mine have a header ofsome sort. This exhaust manifold flows very well, it was brazed together out of 2 different exhaust manifolds



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LW

03-10-2014 16:44:48
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dave Thompson jr., 03-10-2014 13:37:57  
Baaaaaaahhhhhaaa...the 728' 4 cyl here have pounded all the big M's here and the 1017 cid case that was here what a joke a 665 beat it 30-40 ft every class. We don't go by percentage rpm everyone's allowed 2500 rpm. Pack your lunch if you come south



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LW

03-10-2014 16:48:27
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-10-2014 16:44:48  
And if you can't run 14-15 mph in 4500-5000 class...you don't have a chance



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jd plowboy

03-10-2014 15:03:47
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to Dave Thompson jr., 03-10-2014 13:37:57  
not sitting on that stand but it probably wouldnt anyways cause it would be out in front



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Travis M

03-09-2014 18:11:37
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 Re: How about a 900cid 4cyl for Natpa? in reply to LW, 03-09-2014 17:52:02  
That sounds outstanding, can't wait to see finished product.



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