Kevin Meyer
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This is not the answer.
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This is not the answer.
This is a cowardly way to back door the members of the club. The motion is a valid one because it is not changing a rule but clarifying it. The rd motors where accepted last year under the same rules that sets a precedence. The motion is to to make it clear. The officers are not in agreement with the club on this. Why not just let it go to a vote and let the majority rule that is how a club would operate but I guess we now have a dictatorship.
Respectfully
JD Ogden member
Respectfully
JD Ogden member
Randy Babbitt
Member
Makes no sense to me why everyone is scared of rd or whatever motors. Everything is governed by a speed limit. It don"t matter if u have unlimited super stock it"s still only 3, 4, 8 mph u got to be able to weight and drive your tractor. Looks like to me it"s about like the natpa. You would think some of these groups would want to be a little more open minded to get there numbers up!
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
((Tractor engine must be stock or engine must be from original manufacturer and bolt in without modification using existing bell housing and motor mounts. Frames, transmission, rear end and axle housings)) That is how the rule is worded from the website. How can a motor that fits not be legal?????
Gary Baker
Member
They don't just bolt in with out modifications.I personally would like to thank the board members for standing up and in forcing the rules! It's real simple, don't like there rules don't pull there.
Anonymous-0
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speed limits help but are not fool proof, a higher hp tractor that can run a 1/2 gear or full gear higher and maintain their wheel speed will most generally place near the top, while there is few others ways to controll a class besides tearing down engines don't get too confident in the perfectness of a speed limit
Randy Babbitt
Member
So tell me what"s the diff between a 600 cube M, 600 cube Oliver, 600 cube moline against a 600 cube rd motor at 5 mph! You are an idiot if u think it has an advantage. I watch Bakers 436 or 451 cube m"s beat bigger cube motors all the time. At 3.5, 5, and 8 mph.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
U are 100% correct and I say also if you allow all these changes to other brands and it's ok , I ask why one brand band? Without another argument about it I'm asking as a person of interest not a hater why allow power units n combine n redisined blocks n cross flow heads and so on for years then bam no rd , well sorry this is why I sometimes do think of moving on from antiques n say forget it . I also say in modified it is a little more run what u bring but in it needs a stronger base of rules
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Looks like I met another quality piece of work. Sometimes a person has to realize a tractor has limitations instead of throwing a fit when the rules say you can't do whatever you want to. Yeah I'm an i diot but thats better than what you appear to be.
Gary Baker
Member
They don't just bolt in with out modifications.I personally would like to thank the board members for standing up and in forcing the rules! It's real simple, don't like there rules don't pull there.
molineubspecial
Member
I also have a few questions and answers that have been burning in my mind for a long time and I just can't keep quiet any longer. So why at some assoc and natpa can you use a reproduction head for a farmall m a 450 engine or a power block for a jd? You cannot use a 12 port head on a oliver or 800 parts on an mm u-ub. No they're are not bias in anyway toward one color! My opion is they have $25,000 in those m's so they want everyone else to go broke or die trying to compete with them. I know this will start a war but so what I have a mh 44 and it's not legal to pull in a lot of places because it has a 55 motor in it. Big deal I mean who cares in a pace pull tires and balancing and driver ability have as much to do with winning as anything. Regards John
Anonymous-0
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dboll, don't waste your time arguing with that guy...........dboll you are correct...babbitt don't get it......
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
why not just add an open class that allows for them and be done with it. The Kentucky pullers have classes for them and it's the best class at the pulls.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
The real problem here is that the officers of the club formed the board of directors and tech commitee behind closed doors. In the past this would have taken place at a members meeting so everyone would have a say in it. But the officers knew they wouldn"t get their way so this is what we got. They are forgetting how the OSATPA got to where it is today.
Anonymous-0
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go home to MO!!!
I agree that speed limits are never perfect but why should people who can"t spend the kind of money it takes to build a big cube four cylinder be able to get a RD motor or a big cube HD Moline and at least have a chance to compete. I never go to a pull and expect to win or even place for that matter it"s still fun for me. But why not let the lower budget guys have some fun too?
Thanks,
Jim Henke
Thanks,
Jim Henke
I would love to start a open class here in ohio. In my area there are about 6 tractors with rd motors and many olivers, masseys, cases who want to run but have to run for fun because we dont offer a class. I say make a tire size, updraft single carb,and weight class with all safety equipment and lets have fun. i dont want to pull with classes im not legal for. i dont like all the bad feelings. just an idea.
Stoneman,
Where in Ohio are you? We pull some open-ish classes in New Lexington. We are about 50 miles southeast of Columbus.
Our unchecked class is basically cut 18.4-38 limit, 20" hitch, 12 mph. Rule says block must be visually correct (no automotive blocks). 35, 45, 55, 6500 lbs.
We also added a "naturally aspirated" class for this year which will be safety equipment, 20" hitch and 18.4-38 tire limit. 6000 lbs.
We also pull a checked class which is similar to div 2. Uncut tires, 3.5 mph, 18" hitch, etc.
Additionally, we added some jackpot-type classes for both cut tires and uncut tires.
We have a good time and pretty good tractor turnout this past year. Looking to continue building. We are up to over 100 hooks average.
For more info on rules, schedule, etc. check out our website
www.NewLexFFAAlumni.com or find us on Facebook at "New Lexington FFA and FFA Alumni Truck and Tractor Pulls"
John
Jan 2013. OSATPA winter meeting. Open to all members. A rule change was proposed, discussed, voted on in two consecutive meetings,a month apart, and passed. Rule was to allow 310"s, 450 blocks, aftermarket Deere blocks, 800"s, gleaners and yes, RD,s. The members in attendance agreed that these would fit under the description put into the rules. This rule, like all others would not be changed for three years. So the decision by the new board is in violation of the three year rule.
Duane Derringer, retired vice president, member for 10+ years.
Duane Derringer, retired vice president, member for 10+ years.
Yeah, the reason for the speed limit set at 12 mph was to put some kind of a limit on the class. Our old unchecked class was basically a NA class. I don't like teching tractors and try to be all-inclusive- a class for most anything. A farmall should have a block stamped ih and an oliver should be a Waukesha. If something gets out of control, we'll take a look at our rules for next year, but the easiest things to check are weight, hitch and speed. I realize this doesn't work for natpa or some other clubs, but our numbers blew up last year and a lot of people seem to like it.
Come down for a pull this spring or summer and see how you like it. It's a FFA pull and mostly run by our kids, but I think we're doing some good things.
case 1175 puller
Member
This is all great except some companies (Case) don't have a big motor that we can kind of bolt in like an RD or a 310 or an HD 800, or aftermarket Deere blocks ,some of which are newer than '58'. And some people will spend just as much on those motors as the big M's and make monster motors.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
What I don't get is we had best season in osatpa history the rd motor is not always going to win I won 5000 3+ points with Oliver 88 there was oliver 77 that won 5500 3+ points I just seems to me that some people have lost there mind but I want to thank them for doing this my family is happy because I will be home on Sunday thanks again Sam kinney
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