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Re: Oliver 88 Gk 195 320ci Waukesha engine questions

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north puller

09-17-2013 07:13:02

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The question of would it be legal has turned into should it be legal, and i will offer my 2 cents, after all, it's as worthless as anyone's.

If a person is allowed to build a 400 cubic inch engine from an 88 block, and run it in the stock class, then why can't a person install a 310 engine and run it in the stock class? The 310 engine swap would be more affordable for the average person.

Same goes for any engine swaps for farmall/Oliver/mini/Massey/Ford/etc.

Unless you are prepared to test for displacement, compression, and horse power, then having a stock block rule only benefits those with the money to modify their stock block to higher power levels.

It may not be perfect, but speed limits seem to be the accepted standard of controlling power.

If we all can admit that their is no power limit in the rules, and we don't want one, then why not allow any bolt in block?

If a club wants a power limit, a dyno is the only way. Having a stock block rule will not limit horse power, but having a horse power limit will keep out bigger blocks.

If the rule says no 310/320 block, then that's the rule. However, if the intent of the rule is to limit power, then it is kind of pointless. There are many ways around that. If the intent of the rule is to only allow big power to those who have money, then the rule should be re-examined.

That's my 2 cents. Hope you got your money's worth.

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09-17-2013 07:38:43

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 Re: Oliver 88 Gk 195 320ci Waukesha engine questions in reply to north puller, 09-17-2013 07:13:02  
Except that the guys with money will use the better block and heads and still spend the money. Making the "stock" 310 even more useless than the 400ci 88 motor when matched against an 400ci 12 port head 310...

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high octane

09-18-2013 08:13:31

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 Re: Oliver 88 Gk 195 320ci Waukesha engine questions in reply to MH55, 09-17-2013 07:38:43  
MH55, most around here take their olivers pretty seriously. ive never seen a 77,88 with a good 310 not do well in 3-4mph type classes. i cannot see a 400ci 88 build, be stronger than a 400ci 310. Id bet the 400ci 310 would have 15-20 hp more due the 12 port head vs a 400ci 88 with a decent 9 port head even with a murphys manifold. they may look simular, but the 310 is no 88. i have no problem pulling against a 77,88 with a 310, providing were all "honest" n know its there to begin with. i also say, it should be legal to put a 88 motor in a 77 n keep the 310-320 in the 88s so everyone has a low budget engine swap option.

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09-18-2013 21:51:08

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 Re: Oliver 88 Gk 195 320ci Waukesha engine questions in reply to high octane, 09-18-2013 08:13:31  
My point was that a 400ci 310 WOULD be better than a 400ci early block and that if 310's were legal in a certain class most "serious" pullers would have the 310 punched out as well as running the 12 port head. My statement was in response to northpuller's assertion that allowing 310's would be no different than allowing 400ci 88's.

Most Oliver pullers in my neck of the woods are pretty damn serious as well. And I'm sure they would love to have a 12 port head as well...

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high octane

09-17-2013 07:25:38

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 Re: Oliver 88 Gk 195 320ci Waukesha engine questions in reply to north puller, 09-17-2013 07:13:02  
put the 88s 9 port head on the 310 vs the 12 port head, run 88 intake n carb be more fair that allowing a 12 port headed 310.

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