RE: NATPA rule

Anonymous-0

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Does NATPA allow speed monitoring devices on tractors. Our club is discussing this to update our rules.

Thanks, Leroy Nurenberg
 
(quoted from post at 13:57:52 03/27/13) Does NATPA allow speed monitoring devices on tractors. Our club is discussing this to update our rules.

Thanks, Leroy Nurenberg

Outlaw them Leroy, they are definitely an advantage but they take away from the skill needed to pull tractors.

Neither Remus or Oakley allow them.
 
Why would you complain about speed monitoring devises the speed limit is slow and you want to get as close as possible to it. I don't run one on my tractor and can pull with the NATPA. If you have a smooth running engine that isn't out of control you can just run the speed limit classes with out a monitor Good competition is want it is all about. why are you complaining about them.
 
Im with SuperIH..they take any skill out of the MPH classes...outlaw them. Arlo is going to beep the horn no matter what! :)
 
Right mike! He is absolutely old school! My favorite thing is his 400 with the hydrolics and everything still on it.
 
(quoted from post at 18:29:29 03/27/13) Why would you complain about speed monitoring devises the speed limit is slow and you want to get as close as possible to it. I don't run one on my tractor and can pull with the NATPA. If you have a smooth running engine that isn't out of control you can just run the speed limit classes with out a monitor Good competition is want it is all about. why are you complaining about them.

I'm not complaining, its called an opinion. Anyone can pull with NATPA, most people winning are using speedometers because they are an advantage. Like I stated before they take away from the skill needed to pull and in my "opinion" I wish they were not allowed.
 
I have operated our sled CAFPC for thousands of hooks over the years. You can see it first hand from there. Watching the speed on Ag-tronics. The guys with the devices are able to hold a speed a tenth or so under the limit. Without they are normally 2-4 tenths under being careful. Sled pulling has a lot do with how fast you can go at the end of the pull. Sometimes a couple of tenths can make the difference in a 6" victor or loss. These devices are for sale and anyone can own one. I personally don't care. I don't have one as I like the challenge of staying under without the use of one. But this is what I have seen from a sled operators view.

Thanks, Leroy Nurenberg
 
Hi Leroy I think its a safey issue thay are look at there speed
so close thay are not looking at the track nor fag man.
Greg
 
Glad to hear that they are an advantage it makes me feel good. Let"s not outlaw the speed devices because these young pullers full of hemmroides (or is it steroid"s)like to show MOUCHO MEGA. Let"s outlaw TACHOMETERS, make everyone wear ear protection, (zero sound)and everyone wear TRIVOCALS so we can level the playing field. I came up with the idea of the wheel because (like the song says I"m not as good as I once was)pacing my tractor, listening to engine (I have 30% Hearing) seeing best areas of track. Those of you that don"t like the speed devices, go with your skill. But don"t take away a something that is helping (and I am seeing it) of the older generation of pullers that still want to compete. Look around guys and see how many 60-70 even 80 year old guys and gals
are pulling. Go ahead and outlaw them if it makes you feel good but I seen this coming and I dare someone to take a radar gun from a spectator with a display board held up of a tractor he wants to show speed of. His 1ST amendment right. JMHO. MAY GOD BLESS! I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
Ron Brokaw
 
It"s funny how one"s personal setup influences what they think the rule should be. This seems to be true for 1/2 of the rule discussions.

Those with high powered machines in the stock class think the speedos are great because they can maintain the speed.

Those with low HP machines think speed limits are great, but speedometers are a bad idea because they don"t have the HP to maintain the speed.
 
i use one still get DQed about half the time so i dont know if its a good idea to outlaw it or not. ive only ran over 2 flagmen and one boundry cone becouse of my gps speed.
device just my thoughts
 
Or you could just buy a gps. Works great out doors. Don"t see a big issue. Some choose not to use speedometers. I still get dqed with one. Win some you lose some. Next topic!
 
This issue is probably going to fade away over time. Almost all of the sleds in our area have distance and live speed readouts at the end of the track. Even bigger pulls like Tunica have adopted this too. It works really well, is easy to record for results and there is no question about how fast any one tractor is going. It is also a safety thing in that drivers are looking down the track instead of staring at the dash.

Zack
 
If a club is serious about giving all tractors a fare chance they will purchase a MPH display board for the end of the track. No new rules and this will tightens up the compitition and make the pull more interesting for the crowd. But typical of todays society it also helps dumb down the drivers as less abilty is needed.
 
How much for one of those setups? We have the agritronics sled monitor, but no big screen for the end of the track.
 
The 18in tall 3 digit MPH display from Agritronix is $1800. This will work with your existing sled monitor.


Zack
 
About what I figured. I've thrown the idea out there, but the last couple years have been a finacial tornado. Undoubtedly much better this year.
 
Maybe you can help me understand the use of tachometers. What percentage of tractors have them? When do they use them? Why do they need them? When they started their use on tractors I don't recall any crying about the advantage a tach has over a non tach tractor. I took a little survey at Harrisburg pull and I didn't see any tractors in the 5.5 MPH class without one. Do they look at these before you pull or when you are done pulling? If you are watching these as you are pulling, these are a real safety hazard while looking at your dash. I think they should be outlaw. Come on guy's, this is tractor pulling. The sport will continue to change. Any sport demands an advantage (oversize pistons, stroking, shaving, aluminum whatever, tire brands)
let it be pullers preference if he desires to use a speed device and don't try to find fault with them. Enough rules!!! JMHO Ron
 
This was a thread about opinions, but everyone has gotten all bent out of shape over a discussion of speedometers.

How about this,

What is keeping me from running my tractor with a PLC (industrial computer)? I have the speed input from the speedometer all I have to do is put a stepper motor in place of the governor to control the engine. Operating the tractor would consist of me setting the speed of the tractor (write a PID loop and the PLC does all the work), all I do is steer. When I unhook and they check my rpm's, I hit a button to take them to exactly 10% over.
 
That is right Superih go to a MSD box and 3000 RPM
chip and set the wheel up 3000rpm = 2.9mph and 4000RPM
to 3.9 mph the chip will will stop the motor rpm so the tractor will
not go over right
 
You trying to say that you're not doing that already!


(quoted from post at 12:38:30 04/01/13) This was a thread about opinions, but everyone has gotten all bent out of shape over a discussion of speedometers.

How about this,

What is keeping me from running my tractor with a PLC (industrial computer)? I have the speed input from the speedometer all I have to do is put a stepper motor in place of the governor to control the engine. Operating the tractor would consist of me setting the speed of the tractor (write a PID loop and the PLC does all the work), all I do is steer. When I unhook and they check my rpm's, I hit a button to take them to exactly 10% over.
 
(quoted from post at 15:23:21 04/01/13) You trying to say that you're not doing that already!


(quoted from post at 12:38:30 04/01/13) This was a thread about opinions, but everyone has gotten all bent out of shape over a discussion of speedometers.

How about this,

What is keeping me from running my tractor with a PLC (industrial computer)? I have the speed input from the speedometer all I have to do is put a stepper motor in place of the governor to control the engine. Operating the tractor would consist of me setting the speed of the tractor (write a PID loop and the PLC does all the work), all I do is steer. When I unhook and they check my rpm's, I hit a button to take them to exactly 10% over.
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Don't tell anyone, i haven't got caught yet, oh that's right it's not against the rules.
 

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