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Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted

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Underdog Moline

12-27-2012 15:59:56
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LarryM,

Not that it matters but you were asking about the farm class wasnt that you a few weeks ago asking about an M&W Stroker crank!

HA HA we hope to see you out this spring.




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LarryM

12-27-2012 17:32:09
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 Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted in reply to Underdog Moline, 12-27-2012 15:59:56  
Yes!! I was asking about a 450 farmall that I bought that when I got it home I found out it has an M&W crank shaft and a 4.250" bore. Best 1200 I ever spent. That engine has a lot of vibration and I was asking if that was normal and if it could be balanced. Ironically I currently have no plans of using this engine in my M. Ever break the word assume down? A few years ago I bought a 450 that was putting oil into the coolant with the intention of parting it out. Once I got it home I found out it has 2700 original hours on it. The clutch pedal has very little play. It is the tightest 450 I have come across. I couldn’t bring myself to part out such a nice tractor so I kept it and it has been parked in the shed for three years without an engine. My intention for the M&W stroker engine is put it in that 450 or sell it. I may sell it because I now have enough parts to build another C-281 with the standard M&W pistons. The engine in my pulling M I paid 200 dollars for. It was mildly stuck. I ground the valves, polished the head, honed the numbers 2&3 cylinders with the pistons in it, put the head back on with the used head gasket, and so far I am turning 70 hp at 540 pto. It has the 450 cold manifold that it came with, a Thompson Governor that it came with, and a C-281 power unit carb with a 301 venturi and the total cost is only $240. The rest of the tractor is built from pieces of tractors I have parted out. Total cost of the tractor is less than $1000 and over half that is engine and tires. My point, which I think you may have missed, is that if to be competitive a person has to spend big dollars then the window of opportunity to get people excited about the sport is greatly diminished. There needs to a lower cost entry level that a person can compete in. Leadership 101 - People who are able to compete at an entry level will most likely want to move up to a higher level. If a person does not feel they can even compete they will never spend the money to be a consistent winner. This principle is true in everything from tractor pulling to competitive sports to business. If people do not believe they can compete they won’t try. We pulled a lot when I was a kid. I always liked pulling and so a few years ago I started looking at the rules and thinking about what kind of tractor would be competitive. I spent two to three years piecing a tractor together that would be competitive in Farm Stock and at the same time kept it low budget enough to keep my wife happy. The new rules change may or may not eliminate my tractor from being competitive. My plan for 2013 is to go to a bunch of pulls and if the reality I am faced with equates to spending a lot of money on a big cube engine to be competitive in farm stock then I probably will lose interest. My enthusiasm has been greatly subdued by the new CATP rules for farm stock.

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Underdog Moline

12-27-2012 19:26:54
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 Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted in reply to LarryM, 12-27-2012 17:32:09  
LarryM,

Please take a minute and re-read the new rules for 2013 we have 3 divisions compared to the 2 we have ran in the past 20+ years we added a class for thoes "in between" tractors

We have our traditional "Farm Stock" Class that we have had forever the only change is that the hitch height has been reduced to 16" we hear you on the keeping the cost low that is why this class was left mostly unchanged.


The "Farm +" Class for those tractors similar to your stroker 450 some work done but not a full out machine with wheelie bars and the cut tires limited by speed and RPM's

And our "Modified Antique" that is full cut 20% rpm's run what you brung and hope you brung enough

If you are concerned that the loss of 2" in height will limit your success in the "farm" class please remember that everyone in the class will have the same challenges

On a side note I too run an M that was stuck it sounds like yours is healthy and hope to see you out this spring

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LarryM

12-27-2012 20:18:20
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 Re: Southern Wisconsin 2013 Rules are now posted in reply to Underdog Moline, 12-27-2012 19:26:54  
I have had more fun learning how to make an engine flow and generate horsepower this last year than I have had pulling. I have a 44 massey that is kicking out 70 hp with M&W pistons in it and stock stroke.



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