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Tractor Pulling Discussion Forum

Re: NATPA. ??

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Ray Tellin

10-23-2012 20:49:48
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Can deeres and farmalls still run aftermarket or recast heads in these classes?




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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

10-24-2012 14:09:22
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to Ray Tellin, 10-23-2012 20:49:48  
Well of course they can there deeres and farmalls. But dont you dare have a MM or oliver with a factory head on it that is "unoproved"



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Ray Tellin

10-24-2012 15:20:52
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, 10-24-2012 14:09:22  
That's always what I thought was a joke about NATPA rules. You could tell what brand of tractor the rule makers pulled when they formed the NATPA.



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RICHB

10-25-2012 09:58:39
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to Ray Tellin, 10-24-2012 15:20:52  
I used to pull NATPA pulls in western NY we ran a 88 in Div IV,Built a 77 and was told I couldnt pull below 4000 Div IV,I said why? AC's were running 3500!!! 77 came with a 194 engine stock,smaller than a stock AC AND shipping weight on a bare 77 was less than 4000lbs!...We quit pulling NATPA and just stayed at our local pulls,It's not like I wanted to run Div II classes with it.I can understand weight restrictions in any class but open,.....The one guy told me to just build an AC..LMAO.I think USAP has the best rule system and the group that does the White Pine TN pull also.Here in NY all the rules are different depending on where you pull sometimes its hard to adapt.

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Cliff S

10-25-2012 13:54:47
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to RICHB, 10-25-2012 09:58:39  
How long ago did NATPA Have a Pull in NY?

I've Pulled with them for 10 Years and the Closest they Ever Been is Tallmadge OH !

Or Was it NATPA Stile Rules?

Cliff S



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RICHB

10-25-2012 14:20:59
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to Cliff S, 10-25-2012 13:54:47  
Cliff,Late 1990's up till about 2002 was our last year pulling out that way,Junius Ponds had the NYS championship for a few years then I believe it moved to Locke.I think now they use Alliance rules but I am clueless as to them and how they differ from NATPA.....It was fun and they liked use till we started to win,Guess we wore out our welcome..lol



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Mopower

10-25-2012 11:57:15
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to RICHB, 10-25-2012 09:58:39  
I'm pretty critical of the NATPA and anti-MM rules, but when it comes down to it, Oliver gets hit hardest.



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answers

10-24-2012 16:39:35
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to Ray Tellin, 10-24-2012 15:20:52  
A legimate 99 oliver gas is 100% legal in any division, however mixing and matching parts from people such as Ray is not. I didn't know he was such an expert in antique tractor pull rules



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mm585

10-24-2012 22:35:23
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to answers, 10-24-2012 16:39:35  
Take it easy on ray tellin, hes not a bad guy. Im starting to think this is a cage fighting sight not a tractor pulling sight!



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Ray Tellin

10-24-2012 22:21:51
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to answers, 10-24-2012 16:39:35  
When did I claim to be a rules expert?

Anyone have a good answer to why 88's can't the 195 heads?

"Answers" says you can't mix and match parts but a gleaner engine in a WC is ok? Or how about that Deere with the power block?

The rules seem pretty bias don't they?



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doug boll

10-24-2012 18:19:23
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to answers, 10-24-2012 16:39:35  
well answers Ray makes a good point like that bogus 4 cyl MM manifold, the IH recast heads and manifolds and the recast jd parts while other colors are stuck with what was original like the lp manifold for a 6cyl. Case that a mouse couldn't crawl through!



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klklkjlklklkjhj

10-25-2012 04:03:00
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to doug boll, 10-24-2012 18:19:23  
your not stuck with a stock manifold. Make a replacement and sell 12 of them that is what NATPA calls a legal replacement. At least thats what they use to require. They also took care of the 99 oliver by limiting the wieght it cant go under 4500#. If you cant beat it outlaw it Go NATPA.



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doug boll

10-25-2012 07:47:11
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to klklkjlklklkjhj, 10-25-2012 04:03:00  
I have pulled natpa and I have won natpa classes so back off. I plan on going to a few of their events this year but that doesn't mean I agree with them 100%. There's more than 12 bad a$$ 600 and 900 Cases pulling and if what you said was true I think somene would have done it along time ago.



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Mopower

10-25-2012 12:03:05
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to doug boll, 10-25-2012 07:47:11  
It always seems that when the factory built a good part that bolts on my MM, but remains illegal, I'm told "Hey, go cast your own and sell a few!" I don't have to. MM got a lot right the first time. I don't know about Case. I've seen some good diesel manifolds and late heads/blocks that will bolt on 4cyl gassers, but not sure about 6cyl. I'm anxious to see Baker's Case 400 run.



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10-25-2012 04:03:55
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 Re: NATPA. ?? in reply to klklkjlklklkjhj, 10-25-2012 04:03:00  
My bad I meant #5500 for the oliver 99



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