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Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors..

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10-27-2012 07:48:13

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Last I read some time ago, you could paint one car a year outside of a booth. I'm not concerned because it takes me about 2 years to restore a tractor--but if you have a link to the latest rules or an idea where you got the last info I would appreciate knowing.

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10-27-2012 08:31:26

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to CNKS, 10-27-2012 07:48:13  
I did some searching, apparantly the comment about hobbiests I made above no longer exists -- I'm not going to wade through all the EPA rules. I assume EPA doesn't send a search party out to get us. So far I can still buy paint containing the VOCs that the EPA is trying to get rid of. It may be that the long term (or short term depending on which state you are in) answer may be the exclusive use of waterborne paints that I don't look forward to.

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Rod (NH)

10-27-2012 12:19:08

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to CNKS, 10-27-2012 08:31:26  
Presumably, the following is valid as of 10/25/2012:

"(3) Surface coating or paint stripping performed by individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either as a hobby or for maintenance of their personal vehicles, possessions, or property. This subpart also does not apply when these operations are performed by individuals for others without compensation. An individual who spray applies surface coating to more than two motor vehicles or pieces of mobile equipment per year is subject to the requirements in this subpart that pertain to motor vehicle and mobile equipment surface coating regardless of whether compensation is received."

Source See para. 63.11169d(3).

Don't know EPA future plans in this area.

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10-27-2012 12:42:38

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to Rod (NH), 10-27-2012 12:19:08  
Rod, thank you, I was hoping you would read my post--a lot of stuff to go through. You keep up with that better than I do.

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Jason S.

10-27-2012 18:11:15

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to CNKS, 10-27-2012 12:42:38  
Thanks for the information. I was going by what my local BASF dealer was telling me. I know he will not rent his booth to you unless your EPA certified. It would seem that if you are doing your own that the hobby rules would apply even in his booth but according to him it doesn't. Maybe he needs to read up some more. As far as water based paint...I have two different friends that own body shops one is a PPG shop and the other is a BASF shop and they have switched to waterborne and they both say they like it. I haven't tried it myself... and probably won't until I'm forced too...

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10-27-2012 18:31:08

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to Jason S., 10-27-2012 18:11:15  
If he lets you use his booth and something happens, what I don't know, then he is likely liable. As to waterborne I think we need new guns-I have 4 and am not eager to replace them. I too will use urethane until I can't buy it. There is a chance that we will be able to buy it only if certified. However from the rules that Rod posted, perhaps not. Depends on what EPA does. If I find that out ahead of time that KS will not allow the current products to be sold, I am probably going to break my budget and buy more paint, and try to keep it usable.

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Stephen Newell

10-27-2012 18:42:32

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to CNKS, 10-27-2012 18:31:08  
My how things have changed. I painted my first car in the driveway of a mini-warehouse that was next to an apartment complex. It was the era of lacquer though.

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10-28-2012 19:17:55

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 Re: Need Help Just Starting to Paint my own tractors.. in reply to Stephen Newell, 10-27-2012 18:42:32  
They can only come on the property of a State liscensed repair fascility ond they can do that unanounced and usually do just that. In the unlikeky event that they recieve a complaint from your neighbor , they would have to go to local law enforcement and there would have to be a warning and notification of any laws being broken. Only on the second offense and a search warrant and incriminating evidence in court and a conviction would there be any fines levied to a NON- LISCENSED local "Joe" painting his own piece at his own garage. They love "liscensed" shops for just that reason. You are their sitting duck.

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