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Antique Tractor Paint and Bodywork

Valspar hardener questions

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SGF

05-27-2007 04:32:57
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Based on the good advice I received on this forum, I bought Valspar paint from TSC to paint my Ford 641 Workmaster.

As I've continued to read more posts I've come up with a couple of questions. This is not meant to be a show paint job. It'll be done outside probably in warm humid temperatures. The paint is to protect a working tractor, but I'd like it to look halfway decent. I plan to run a wire brush and some sandpaper over the bad spots. I then plan to shoot some spray can primer on any bare metal. I've used this process on lots of horse drawn farm equipment and a metal boat with decent results, but never with the TSC paint. Will Rustolium spray can primer be a satisfactory undercoat for the Valspar?

When I bought the paint at TSC I also bought the hardener. After doing so I read a number of posts that said spraying hardener without a forced air breathing system was dangerous. I do not have such a system nor do I plan to buy one. I plan to use a standard respirator, so the question is, should I return the hardener, and will this paint do okay without it? I'm not looking to damage my lungs any more than I already have; I've done enough of that.

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SGF

06-04-2007 02:52:18
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to SGF, 05-27-2007 04:32:57  
Nice pictures, and thanks to all for the input. A forced air system is out, but I'll find the charcoal type mask and give that a shot.



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souNdguy

05-31-2007 06:31:14
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to SGF, 05-27-2007 04:32:57  

Last pic was my 49' allis G.. and this is my 75' ford 5000

both came out with finish's you can see your reflection in.

Soundguy



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souNdguy

05-31-2007 06:29:30
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to SGF, 05-27-2007 04:32:57  

I paint pretty much exclusively with the TSC paints.

For the most part I use the TSC primer. For any big jobs i use the quart and gallon can of primer.. for some small jobs I have use dthe bps spray can primer.

In a few situations where i ran out of BPS spray can primer I have run across the street and used (gasp!) wallmart spray can primer for small hanging parts. So far.. I can't tell the difference on which parts were bps spraygunned primed, BPS spray canned primed, or walmart spraycanned primed.

The BPS paint WIL benefit froma hardner.

High humidity and or low temps are to be avoided. I've not had good luck under 60' or much over 90'.. though if painting hot.. you may change your spray mix a tad... I usually use naptha to thin my BPS paint.. but if i had to spray in super hot weather and had no other choice.. i might cut my thinner mix with a hair of mineral spirits so it wouldn't flash off so quick.

I use a respirator with a good organic cartridge, and I paint inthe open air.. ideally with about a 3mph breeze or so.. just enough to keep the vapors moving.

Some people can be very sensitive to the 'iso' compounds in the hardners. While there has been some discussion that the valspar hardner may have less of these compounds than other hardners... it is deffinately still present.

Safest bet is what you've heard.. a forced fresh air breather... that lets you paint in a booth if you wanted to...

If you are like many of us.. you can practice some due diligence and make a good outside spray job with minimal risks.

If you use it.. and even think you might be becoming sensitive to the iso compounds.. dump that spray gun of mix and forget about using hardner unless you get or make the right breather equipment.

By the way.. you can get some pretty superior results with using bps, hardner, and painting outside.

Soundguy

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glennster

05-29-2007 06:30:19
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to SGF, 05-27-2007 04:32:57  
if you are shooting outside, if you have a good charcoal filter respirator, you should be ok. pick up a disposable painters jumpsuit, they are about 5 dollars or so and some surgical type rubber gloves. put a fresh set of filters in the respirator. try and avoid a humid day day if at all possible, as the paint can blush (gets foggy) from the humidity.



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SGF

05-30-2007 19:50:45
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to glennster, 05-29-2007 06:30:19  
No humidity is a tall order for the Southeast, but I understand about the affects on the paint. I did some more research and Valspar recommends a positive pressure airline respirator(NIOSH approved). I just have a fifteen year old standard hardware store painter's respirator, not charcoal, so I might just pass on the hardener. It is begining to seem like more trouble than it's worth.



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glennster

05-31-2007 06:05:29
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to SGF, 05-30-2007 19:50:45  
you can get a decent charcoal respirator for about 30.00 dollars, they are a disposable type, but do last a while. keep them in a sealed plastic zip lock bag, that way they wont absorb unnecessary vapors while stores in the shop. i keep my respirators sealed in new empty 1 gallon paint cans.



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SGF

05-30-2007 19:50:31
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 Re: Valspar hardener questions in reply to glennster, 05-29-2007 06:30:19  
No humidity is a tall order for the Southeast, but I understand about the affects on the paint. I did some more research and Valspar recommends a positive pressure airline respirator(NIOSH approved). I just have a fifteen year old standard hardware store painter's respirator, not charcoal, so I might just pass on the hardener. It is begining to seem like more trouble than it's worth.



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