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Senator rototiller information/belt

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Eric in TN

04-11-2002 18:21:27
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Hello,

I have a Senator rototiller and am having alot of trouble finding a reverse pulley belt for it. The B&S 5 horsepower vertical engine on it was made in 1967 and looks original. I'm guessing the tiller is the same age. The tiller is model #547 42103 and was manufactured in Plymouth, Wisconsin. I would measure for a reverse pulley belt but am not sure how to route the belt. A figure 8 route is the only way I can see that a belt would make the tines go in reverse.

Anyone know where to find belts, parts, or information on the Senator company? I saw an older post on the forum speculating that the Senator brand was a rebadged Gilson.

Here's a link to a picture of the pulleys on the back of the tiller. There is a single drive lever on the tiller. Pushing the drive lever forward engages the inner pulley on the swinging arm onto the forward belt, tensioning it on the engine pulley. Engaging the drive lever backwards into the reverse position would tension the outer pulley onto the reverse belt if there was a reverse belt.

Thanks,

Eric

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Two-speed

04-12-2002 09:21:50
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 Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-11-2002 18:21:27  
You sure the second set of groves is for a reverse?
If the second set of groved pulleys are a different size I'd guess the belt would be moved over on to them for a lower/higher speed.



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Eric in TN

04-12-2002 16:34:54
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 Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Two-speed, 04-12-2002 09:21:50  
Some better pictures of the pulleys and drive lever are the links below:

First two show the pulleys, 3rd shows the tiller in forward, 4th shows it in reverse, 5th shows the drive lever.

http://www.goughsoft.com/epduvall/DSC00145.jpg
http://www.goughsoft.com/epduvall/DSC00146.jpg
http://www.goughsoft.com/epduvall/DSC00147.jpg
http://www.goughsoft.com/epduvall/DSC00148.jpg
http://www.goughsoft.com/epduvall/DSC00149.jpg

Thanks,

Eric

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Bob Schaefer

12-04-2002 07:48:28
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 Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-12-2002 16:34:54  
I just bought a senator tiller Mod 55542403 and runs great . Its a 2 speed but runs on one belt in forward groove. Looks to me as if there should be 2 belts same size in 2 forward grooves . A slower speed would be obtained if 3rd groove was used but it takes a shorter belt. The shift lever puts it in gear but the belt then rubs on the frame. Cant figure that out. GOOD machine!



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Eric in TN

04-12-2002 13:07:51
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 Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Two-speed, 04-12-2002 09:21:50  
>You sure the second set of groves is for a >reverse?
>If the second set of groved pulleys are a >different size I'd guess the belt would be moved >over on to them for a lower/higher speed.

This tiller was given to me out of a tobacco barn where it had been sitting neglected for years. I've partially restored it and it runs like new, but I'm still learning the ins and outs of it. From what I can tell it's a single speed tiller with forward and reverse. On the flywheel cover of the engine it has a sticker that says "Power Reverse". I should have posted a better picture of the pulleys and will try to do so tonight. Here's how the tiller is set up:

Drive lever on top left of the handlebars, with sticker next to it showing "F" with a red arrow pointing forward and "R" with a black arrow pointing backwards. The drive lever is a spring loaded "trip" lever. When you push the drive lever forward ("F" position) the swing arm is pulled down by a connector rod which swings a flat pulley to the right and into the outside flat part of the V belt. (You cannot see this flat pulley in the picture in my original post, but it's behind the grove pulley on the swing arm) As the flat pulley on the swing arm pushes into the outside of the V belt the lever by the handlebars "trips" over and is held by spring tension, and the tines start turning forward. For reverse: Pulling back on the drive lever ("R" position with black arrow) makes a connector rod push the swing arm up and pull the grove pulley you can see into the inside of a 2nd belt *if* there was a 2nd belt. The flat pulley and grove pulley on the swing arm don't seem to be different in size, just the flat one engages the flat outside part of the V Belt and the grove pulley would engage the inside of a 2nd belt if there was a 2nd belt. Judging from the spring setup on the drive lever, I'd say it would trip into the "R" position and be held by spring tension if there was a 2nd belt on the grove pulleys that don't currently have anything on them. Another reason that I'm virtually positive this tiller takes 2 belts is because of the belt guard on the tine/gearbox pulley. The wire belt guard is tight enough to the pulley that it would have to be taken off in order to scoot the existing belt off of the grove it's on and onto the other grove.

Hope someone can help, I really like this tiller. It's built like a tank and I have restored it to perfect mechanical condition.

Thanks a bunch,

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Bill

05-17-2004 03:30:39
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 Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-12-2002 13:07:51  
eric, the belt is installed in a figure eight for reverse, works great , just bought at a flea market.



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Coy M Bullard

12-29-2003 17:15:23
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 Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-12-2002 13:07:51  
Hi Eric: By now, I'm sure you have worked out the belt business. It is a pain to get it just right, but it is simple and works. My problem with my tiller is that the bronze worm gear is badly worn, and I need some clue where I might get a replacement. I'd appreciate any hints you might have come upon. I have used this tiller for many years, using two different engines. It is just the right size for me and I would hate to see it go. Thanks for any help. Coy M Bullard. Rock Isdland, Illinois.

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Rob

01-27-2004 22:46:13
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/bel in reply to Coy M Bullard, 12-29-2003 17:15:23  
If you find the same gear I'm looking for it too.



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John

04-14-2002 20:01:46
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 Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-12-2002 13:07:51  
I too have recently acquired a Senator tiller (model 10-460-13), originally bought in October of 1966. I also got the "owner's guide" for it that shows the belts. It works pretty much like you said. In forward, the control rod from the handle bar goes "over center" and locks in place. That holds the flat pulley against the forward belt. But for reverse, you have to pull the control handle back and keep the pressure on: it doesn't lock. I guess you don't stay in reverse very long.
On mine, the reverse belt is missing and the forward belt is a 0.380 x 33.500 inch size. That may or may not be original belt size. The owners guide -- which incidentally calls this a Gilson with the same model number -- only has part numbers for the belts; not sizes (1110 fwd; 6163 rev.) Whoever had it before had another forward belt where reverse is supposed to be and then for some reason mangled the short link rod that goes from the bell crank to the idler arm. I'm in the process of trying to straighten the link rod and replace the forward belt and see if it will operate. If I can find out the belt size, I'd also like to restore reverse. I got the 4hp B&S 100200 working today ... just needed the points cleaned and a new fuel-pump diaphram.

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Eric in TN

04-14-2002 20:33:47
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to John, 04-14-2002 20:01:46  
Thanks for replying John. Very interesting, looks like these Senators were indeed Gilson made. I guess the reverse spring is so you don't put too much pressure on the lever, or possibly to kick the tiller out of reverse if someone isn't holding the lever. (safety feature?) The idler to carb link rod was bent on mine too, but I was able to straighten it and reconnect the spring. It's a cheap part from B&S if you have to order one. The idler arm was out of adjustment badly on mine. Someone had left fuel in this tiller, so I had to thoroughly clean the carb and tank. I had a worn out bearing in the crankcase. Other than that I put a new gasket set on, new points/condensor, new plug/filter, new valve breather, and generally just cleaned and painted it. Runs literally like new now and I have tilled my garden with it twice. If I could find the right length of reverse belt and how to route it this tiller would be done. Does your owner's manual show the way the reverse belt is routed? I'll check around with the number of the belt you listed.

Thanks,

Eric

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weldon mcspadden

04-19-2002 00:39:22
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-14-2002 20:33:47  
you guys did great there used to be several tillers that had a reverce belt on them it was a diferent pitch than cars we get them off the bearing houses hope this helps



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bobdouglas

09-05-2005 10:17:25
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller informa in reply to weldon mcspadden, 04-19-2002 00:39:22  
Looking for seals for tyne shaft on Senator Tiller
purchased at Coast To Coast Hardware mfg by firm with same name in Plymouth Wisconsin. I have users manual



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Eric in TN

04-19-2002 08:46:15
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to weldon mcspadden, 04-19-2002 00:39:22  
Finally found the belt size and routing. Norm Yetman in Winnipeg, Canada provided it.

It's a 37" by 3/8 belt in case anyone else needs it.

Thanks,

Eric



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aaron

05-18-2002 18:38:57
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Senator rototiller information/belt in reply to Eric in TN, 04-19-2002 08:46:15  
the toro company has most parts and manuals for the senator line



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