Oliver 1650 oil change

sonnythomas · Jul 12, 2023

Bought the tractor just about a year ago. Brother and I gave it a check over and all looked okay - considering some replacements were needed.
It had 2 brand new oil filters, one for the tranny and one for the engine oil. So, left it.

Tractor down due to having 2 more hydraulic cylinders rebuilt, I decided the engine oil was too dirty for my liking. So drained the oil and bought a new oil filter. Manual states 8 quarts without filter. Odd that it would say without filter as the filter is upside down and doesn't retain oil other than the element inside.

Well, I put in 8 quarts and the dip stick showed over a quart low.
Called my brother. Right dip stick. No dimensions available for oil pan. Oil level before draining showed full. So added oil until oil level is right on the bottom of the full line. 9 1/2 quarts of oil.

Anyone else experience this?

LSaunders · Jul 12, 2023

I have the opposite situation. In my 1655 diesel, 8 quarts run over the full line. About in the middle of the word FULL. I can't bring myself to run it with less than 8 quarts so I just accept it.
Makes you wonder about the calibration of the dip sticks doesn't it?

J. Schwiebert · Jul 12, 2023

I have not done this for 40 plus years but at one time there were 2 dip sticks

scootergmc · Jul 12, 2023

The factory service manual lists 8 quarts without filter.

If gas/LPG, another 1 qt. for filter
If diesel, another 1.5 qts for filter.

sonnythomas · Jul 12, 2023

(quoted from post at 09:06:37 07/12/23)
The factory service manual lists 8 quarts without filter.

If gas/LPG, another 1 qt. for filter
If diesel, another 1.5 qts for filter.

Understood, but the dip stick isn't marked correctly for such. I could add the 1/2 quart and the oil level just over the full line.

The oil filter for the tractor doesn't have a check valve, so oil returns to the oil pan when the tractor is shut off.

Spoke with my brother, retired truck mechanic (gas/LP, diesel). He told of some engines that the oil level is checked with the engine running. However, the dip stick is marked for such. There is nothing that tells of having the 1650 running to check oil level. Even if it did, it would show 1 quart low, meaning another quart needs added - for just say 11 quarts.

Raced cars years ago. I had Chevy 425 hp 409 (500 hp when I got down with it). It had a oversize oil pan, but the standard dip stick was used. Full was full. The oversize oil pan was factory, not modified. Only the 425 hp 409 and LZ1 427 (435 hp) had the oversize oil pans. The LZ1 looked identical to the 409. The LZ1 differed in that it had a 2 piece intake manifold. Both had dual 4 barrel carbs.

This post was edited by sonnythomas on 07/12/2023 at 10:30 am.

sonnythomas · Jul 12, 2023

(quoted from post at 07:07:17 07/12/23) I have the opposite situation. In my 1655 diesel, 8 quarts run over the full line. About in the middle of the word FULL. I can't bring myself to run it with less than 8 quarts so I just accept it.
Makes you wonder about the calibration of the dip sticks doesn't it?

Could be like J. Schwiebert replied.

sonnythomas · Jul 12, 2023

(quoted from post at 08:50:30 07/12/23) I have not done this for 40 plus years but at one time there were 2 dip sticks

Get to reading manuals and I read too hard. My brother told of some engines running to check oil level. I can't find this for the 1650. Even so, the filter is use would have the oil level check a quart oil low. Surely not needing 10 quarts....

J. Schwiebert · Jul 12, 2023

There were2 dipsticks and they were different lengths

LSaunders · Jul 12, 2023

After your earlier comment, John, I looked in my parts manual. It does show two dipsticks. One 11.5. The other 11 and seven-eights. Mine appears to be the longer one. That doesn't tell me if it's the right one. Both part numbers default to the same different part number. The dipstick has a serial number stamped on it. I think I'll give Maibach a call in the morning and see what I can find out. It's the dipstick that was in the tractor when I bought it 23 years ago. Have I been running the wrong oil level all this time? Sheesh!

J. Schwiebert · Jul 12, 2023

Do you have regular plain Jane 1650? Some parts books explain what dipsick go in what application

LSaunders · Jul 12, 2023

It's a 1655 Row Crop. Late 1969, early 1655 production. My parts book is from the Floyd County Museum. It's all parts lists and diagrams, I haven't seen any commentary in it.

LSaunders · Jul 13, 2023

I was talking to a parts guy at Maibach on the phone today sorting out my dipstick story. I mentioned the manuals giving capacities of 8 qts. crankcase, and 1 and a half quarts filter. His reply
was: I don't know about that, but I'm looking at a White chart on the wall right now that says 9 qts. capacity for the 1650/1655.

LSaunders · Jul 13, 2023

John- I gave the number stamped on that dipstick to a parts guy at Maibach today, and he said it was for the 310 Waukesha. Looks like someone lost a dipstick years ago and just grabbed the first one they could find.

rustred · Jul 14, 2023

nothing to worry about , the dip stick is a guide. nothing saying it must be exactly on the full mark all the time. when your down to the add that usually means a quart low. one quart either way is not going to hurt the engine. you even said you been running it this way for 23 years.

sonnythomas · Jul 16, 2023

(quoted from post at 14:40:41 07/13/23) John- I gave the number stamped on that dipstick to a parts guy at Maibach today, and he said it was for the 310 Waukesha. Looks like someone lost a dipstick years ago and just grabbed the first one they could find.

I don't have any numbers on mine. Just "R.C."

Sort of reminds me of the old thermos stoppers. Tighten so it won't come out.

Is longer than some

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