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Don-Ont

05-13-2018 04:41:43




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Engine starts best when throttle is wide open and still have to crank it a lot. Is this normal or is there a problem. Thanks.




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johns

05-13-2018 13:57:57




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to Don-Ont, 05-13-2018 04:41:43  
Bosch pump its acceptable to move throttle wide open when cranking over. Regardless, if it starts hard and smokes it could use an overhaul and head gone thru with special attention paid to valve protrusion. Are you willing to put $2K+ into overhauling the engine right? If not, then you'll have to live with it as is.



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90 Percent Retired

05-13-2018 09:25:40




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to Don-Ont, 05-13-2018 04:41:43  
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oliver90owner

05-13-2018 12:14:25




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to 90 Percent Retired, 05-13-2018 09:25:40  
If oil burning it is likely low on compression. That might be borne out by the fast cranking speed.

Best start with a compression test. It could be leakage past the pistons or it could be valve recession (as JS was suggesting). Or both.

Could be injectors, too. Or were they sorted at the same time as the pump? Is the pump timing correct?

Is the manifold heater working? And do you operate it for cold starts?

So many possibilities...

RAB

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don-ont

05-13-2018 08:38:50




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to Don-Ont, 05-13-2018 04:41:43  
Tractor is 1958. Temp usually 70-80. It has a manifold heater. Never tried to start in cooler temps, 40-60 degrees. It does smoke a lot, blue smoke. Good fast cranking, rebuilt starter and 850 amp hour battery. Original injection pump was rebuilt recently.
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don-ont

05-13-2018 09:41:27




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to don-ont, 05-13-2018 08:38:50  
Starts better when hot but still needs full throttle.



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J. Schwiebert

05-13-2018 06:20:42




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to Don-Ont, 05-13-2018 04:41:43  
like 90 owner asked. We need a lot more details! Does it smoke when you are trying to start the tractor? You have a serial number? In 1961 they installed valve seats in the head to help starting problems. How is cranking speed?



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oliver90owner

05-13-2018 05:47:38




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to Don-Ont, 05-13-2018 04:41:43  
Cold engine or hot? Ambient temperature? Does it have a cold start device? The extra detail helps.



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Gary Mitchell

05-13-2018 10:42:35




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 Re: 880 diesel starting in reply to oliver90owner, 05-13-2018 05:47:38  
Not Oliver and not in-direct injection but, I've started a lot of Cummins diesels in the cold. The best practice I found was throttle wide open to lube rings and raise compression, turn 3 or 4 seconds, wait that long and try 3 or 4 seconds again, repeat until it starts to start. My assumption was that the brief cranking periods heated the cylinders and the rest of the engine enough to initially start. Seemed to work pretty well. gm

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