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Oliver, Cletrac, Co-op & Cockshutt Tractors Discussion Forum
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rrlund

09-10-2017 10:22:53




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Anybody know the story of one with these decals? They're different than mine or Jim's. They look to be original obviously. It's not one of the last ones because it doesn't have 6 bolt front wheels or 8 bolt rears and the pedals don't go through the floorboards. I wonder if this one would be new enough to have standard bolts instead of BSF?

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Oliver 500 Wa

09-12-2017 21:56:25




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  
I expect you are right on that. The decal set I just got look just like the ones on your 500. I think that is probably the only version that the Dumonts sell.



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Oliver 500 Wa

09-12-2017 12:47:34




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  
I looked at my manuals. My operator manual is labeled...

500 SERIES 2-OC AND 600 TRACTOR OPERATOR'S MANUAL

The number is S1-4-64 and it says ISSUED 5-25-64.

The picture inside shows a 500 gas model though AFAIK all 2-OC tractors were diesel. The decals look just like the ones on rrlund's 500.

I also have an original parts book for the 500 2-OC tractors. It covers s/n 101500 and up. The picture in it shows a diesel 500 and the decals look like the one in the first post. The book number is S1-9-37 and it was issued 8-1-1964

I'm thinking that maybe diesel and gas versions had different decals?

If that's the case then the decal set I just got is not correct for my tractor. I'm not so much a purist that it will bother me though.

My 500 is s/n 101937 so pretty near the end of the run.
The parts book picture shows the fabricated axle, but the parts drawing shows the forged one. The operator manual picture shows the forged axle but the section on adjusting the tread width shows the fabricated axle. Man, they needed someone to proofread those books before printing!

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rrlund

09-12-2017 14:44:26




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 Re: 500 question in reply to Oliver 500 Wa, 09-12-2017 12:47:34  
With that high of a serial number,I'd just about bet the farm yours used the block lettered decal not the checkerboard decal.



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oliver jim

09-12-2017 08:22:37




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  
[I have those wing nuts in BSF thread and battery lid hold down clips and even the little seat rubber bumpers. If you need anything just send me a e-mail.

As far as the decals, my research showed that they where changed to the block style on the 500's in late 1962 and all of 1963 as well as all of the 600's



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rrlund

09-12-2017 09:19:31




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 Re: 500 question in reply to oliver jim, 09-12-2017 08:22:37  
These almost look like the checkerboard behind the Oliver,but the 500 is in a different place. I wish it was close enough for me to look at it in person.



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RBoots

09-10-2017 21:46:58




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  

Saw this 500 headed through St. Johns MI today. Had IN licence plates.



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rrlund

09-11-2017 04:43:19




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 Re: 500 question in reply to RBoots, 09-10-2017 21:46:58  
Must have been at the bridge crossing.



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rrlund

09-10-2017 17:13:39




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  

Here we go. He's one that was at the first gathering. It has the 500 down on the side,but has the block decal.
Here's one of a brochure that shows it down there too,and a picture of a 600 with it down there. I just noticed something on that 600. The battery is in front of the radiator. I thought I'd read one time that they were back by the seat and that was how you could tell it was a real 600 and not a DB 990?

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Traditional Farmer

09-11-2017 00:56:58




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 17:13:39  
The battery on my 600 is in front and the serial number stamped on the frame is different from a 990 DB.



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rrlund

09-11-2017 04:45:17




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 Re: 500 question in reply to Traditional Farmer, 09-11-2017 00:56:58  
I'll have to back and re read it,but I think I read that in Hart Parr Oliver Collector when the 500s and 600s were featured back when Chris was editor.



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J. Schwiebert

09-10-2017 16:29:48




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  
Somewhere here is a train book that has a picture taken in 1960 in England that shows a flat car load of these tractors behind a steam locomotive and then telling the tractors were going to some port for export. I need to find it because it would show the original style of decal. I also have 2 parts books for the model 500 tractors, one for each series and the decals shown in each parts book are different + the badge in the front is different. You have a parts book and of which series of tractors?

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rrlund

09-10-2017 16:48:00




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 Re: 500 question in reply to J. Schwiebert, 09-10-2017 16:29:48  
I don't have a paper parts book,no. I just pull it up on Agcopartsbook and look at the schematics there. The only decals they show there are the ones like mine and Jims. I wonder what the serial number was where they went to standard thread? If this one was closer to my place,I'd have gone and got it and it'd be sitting in my yard right now. Somebody told me about it and offered to go get it and take it to his house until I could go get it,but I hate to buy it sight unseen and spend three days on the road going to get it.

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J. Schwiebert

09-10-2017 16:58:33




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 16:48:00  
Do they list both parts books?. The one issued by the Cleveland plant is S6 - 9 - 400. It was issued in 1960. The 2 - OC book was issued as a Charles City parts book and was issued in 1964.



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rrlund

09-10-2017 17:05:05




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 Re: 500 question in reply to J. Schwiebert, 09-10-2017 16:58:33  
Says it's Book: s6940000. That's the only one listed.



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rrlund

09-10-2017 17:40:50




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 17:05:05  
There is a bulletin though for just the newer front axle. It says "Commencing At 500 Tractor S/N 101775,

The Tractors Were Equipped With A

Fabricated Steel Front Axle In Place Of

The Previous Forged Axle Assembly. The

Parts Used In This Axle Are Listed

Below. The Drag Link, Tie Rod And

Steering Knuckle Parts Remain Unchanged

From Those Used With The Forged Axle And

Are Therefore Not Listed In This

Bulletin."

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Oliver 500 Wa

09-10-2017 15:10:48




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 Re: 500 question in reply to rrlund, 09-10-2017 10:22:53  
IIRC this looks similar to the picture in the OEM operator manual I got with my 500. I'll have to dig it out and look. I got a set from Dumonts that look like what you have on your 500. They are different than what is on my 500, but I know mine has been repainted/decaled at least once before I got it.

On a side note....

My hood has/had tall alloy wingnuts to fasten the hood near the radiator. Both were broken and mangled. I'm going to machine some new ones on my CNC mill this winter. Does your 500 have these or would you want a set? Mine are SAE 5/16 coarse thread as it is a late serial number. If your 500 has BSF studs then that makes it a bit harder to do.

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rrlund

09-10-2017 15:36:58




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 Re: 500 question in reply to Oliver 500 Wa, 09-10-2017 15:10:48  
If I had a pair with the BSF threads,I'd put them on there I guess. Right now I don't have anything on there. It's just sitting on there.



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