Super 88 Oliver Reduction Starter

Believe this has been discussed before, but looking for a gear reduction starter for a Super 88 gas. We have come up with a Wilson Number 91-01-4310 that someone said will work. We want to be sure, so if someone had done it and has a starter number, Great!! Please let me know. Thanks

There is a gear reduction starter on ebay(item number 110960995820) that will fit many Olivers, I know for sure it'll fit a 1550 gas and diesel and it'll fit a White 2-70.It starts the tractor better than the original and costs $133.

I bought one this Spring for mine which works good. I got mine from Maple Springs Farm in Verona Wi. I don't have the phone number here now, might be in the shop. They have them for a gas or diesel. They take a different tooth count.

Look at both starters you'll see the starter maple Springs sells for $214 is the same
starter Real Electric sells for $133.

The 28MT is made in at least three different countries and in each country there are multiple manufacturers. Most of these manufacturers offer different quality grades based on custom requests. Winding quality, bushing material, allowable casting defects, etc. are all varied. A little google searching and you can find out all this information. The Maple Springs starter is Taiwanese. Where was your's made? China? Do you even know?

Call and talk to these guys or any of the other Oliver parts dealers that carry gear reduction starters. Did you ever do that? I have so I could make a knowledgeable purchase decision. There was a learning curve to finally land on a 28MT starter supplier that was able to deliver consistent quality. They weren't successful right away and it they found those cheap starters were just that...cheap. These guys are doing audit tear downs on each batch to make sure they are getting what they specified and bench testing each starter. What does Real Electric do? Do you even know?

Please become educated before making statements. You are making an assumption based on looks and as a result are misleading people on this forum.

I heard with the ones from China they're running a special now where you get a free egg roll and fortune cookie, and a 'crank it up you yankee tractor boy' sticker

Even better I actually have USED the starter I now have and it works just fine,bought it to start my White 2-70 diesel engine and it worked so good I put it on the 1550 gas that needed a starter and it works perfect on that too.Matter of fact getting ready to put one on my 1550 diesel
to replace the original rebuilt one because the original one will kick out sometimes when I'm starting the 1550 diesel.The original starter off the 1550 diesel will work fine to crank the White 2-70 engine every now and then until I find an Oliver to put it in.And as long as it works good for me I couldn't care less where it was built.

Good for you and your "economy" or whatever starter, but that wasn't the point. You said they were the same, but provided no evidence other than looks that they are the same. Apparently you haven't talked to Maibach, Maple Springs Farm, OCI, or any of the other Oliver part retailers who carry gear reduction starters to become educated in the different starters that are available. Instead, you came on here and provided false information.

Understand there are a lot of folks on this board who have bought from these dealers and have respect for them and what they are doing for the hobby and these tractors. There is a strong following for Maibach, Korves, Maple Springs, etc and as a result, there isn't a lot of patience among this group for a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about to start making bogus claims against the dealers who are working hard to support our interests.

Now they look exactly the same and I'd bet a hundred they're the same BUT you might be right.Now what evidence do you have to prove that the starter from real electric isn't the same or at the very least just as good? More $$$ doesn't necessarily mean better.And more power to any parts sellers I'm just willing to take a chance on a starter that's
almost half price and so far I'm ahead as both starters have the same guarantee BTW.Sort of like when I needed a starter for my Cub Cadet with the Kubota diesel.Dealer wanted over $350 for a rebuilt unit real electric had one for less then $60 I bought it and used the Cub Cadet for 2 years with no problem and the fellow that bought it from me is still using the same starter.I'm just a guy looking for parts and making my $$$ go as far as possible and trying to help others do the same,they can take my suggestion or not. Now for a full disclosure do you sell Oliver or other tractor parts?

I worked at a place where we sold a lot of cheap Chinese auto parts. One time we got a box of electric fuel pumps in that had Holley stickers on them. Used to get intake manifolds that obviously had "Edelbrock" ground off them (then Edelbrock actually moved back to the US).

Unless you've been to the factory and watched them manufacture and box up your part, do you really know what's in the so-called high-quality stuff? Or is it just re-boxed with a higher price tag.

Just saying...

By the way: We sold [b:c8e4f2709a]A LOT[/b:c8e4f2709a] [i:c8e4f2709a]and [/i:c8e4f2709a]got [b:c8e4f2709a]A LOT[/b:c8e4f2709a] of that cheap Chinese crap back as defective. But not as much as you might think!

Not sure what a "full disclosure" has to do with this, but I'm game. Even if I sold starters what's wrong with defending one's product?

I'm a degreed engineer who works for one of the large off road equipment equipment manufactures in diesel engine development. My current role is to manage the test programs and validation of internal engine components. Previously I worked for the big blue C developing emission systems. I've basically dedicated my career to diesel engines and the design and validation of engine systems. Occasionally I sell a few Oliver parts, but I mainly peddle combine parts locally. I do not sell starters. Satisfied?

So what evidence do I have? A few years back I was visiting with a local starter shop and got talking with them about gear reduction starters which were just becoming all the rage on Olivers. They made a comment to be very careful when buying new as not all are made the same and they had learned a painful lesson trying to sell the cheapest stuff they could from China. The cheap ones will often come with plastic bushings snuck inside which melt when over cranked, inferior heat gear heat treat, fewer turns on the windings, etc. The funny thing was the guy went into his office and came back with a stack of "test sheets" from the China starters. They went through an entire shipment of starters and all the sheets could be lumped into 5 piles. They weren't testing the starters, they were just had stacks of test sheets they would peel off and throw in each box. So when I started looking for a starter for my 880, I called around and got a similar story from these guys. They said they lived the nightmare of the low buck Chinese starters when they first started out. They said they are money ahead to buy the Taiwanese starters which cost more and are consistently proving to have better components and quality control plus go through the labor of tearing them down to inspect the components and then bench test each one before it leaves. The two stories jived so I have little reason not to believe Maple Springs.

I live the nightmare of low dollar Chinese parts every day in my professional career. The quality is all over the board. We may test one set of parts and they are rock solid. Then, then next batch fails miserably. In China, most engineers last less than one year in a position. It's just their culture. Therefore it's about impossible to make any headway in quality control. Unless you are a large OEM with your employees stationed at the plants in China, it's impossible to control what you are getting. It blows my mind that these guys try peddling small batches of starters out of china. Talk about being at the mercy of something uncontrollable.


"Now they look exactly the same and I'd bet a hundred they're the same BUT you might be right." Ah, so you don't know that they are the same and you were only speculating. The truth comes out. So why did you J.Wondergem's rear and claim they were? What were you attempting to prove? J.Wondergem was just stating he had bought one of Maple Springs starters and was happy with it. It was a good value added post. Why get all on the defensive and start trashing this thread? It just makes you look bad.

Honestly, nobody cares if you want to be a cheap @$$. If it works for you, great. We're all big boys and can decide what we want to do with our money. We really don't need Traditional Farmer out there stating the obvious. State the facts of what you know and what your experience is and move on.

But, I'll leave you with this in thought in the event it isn't obvious. The community of folks who farm with and collect Olivers is a small and tightly knit group of individuals. We have a lot of respect and allegiance to those who support us by providing and manufacturing parts that we can't get elsewhere (Korves, OBCI, Maple Springs Farm, Maibach, etc). As AGCO continues to drop support for these tractors, these vendors are who will carries this brand forward. We NEED to support these guys. Without them, we would be/will be in a world of hurt. Not every part can be found in a salvage yard. This community WILL NOT tolerate folks such as yourself who come on here and bash the folks who support our interests. Like the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.