1650 with baler/ wagon

codyw

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i have a 1650 gas with a newly rebuilt engine. we will soon be getting a square baler with a thrower and some wagons. will this tractor run the baler and pull a loaded of hay alright? some of our fields have some moderate inclines to them, which was my biggest concern. just looking for some insight before i get ahead of myself. thanks
 
(quoted from post at 19:07:39 07/21/15) i have a 1650 gas with a newly rebuilt engine. we will soon be getting a square baler with a thrower and some wagons. will this tractor run the baler and pull a loaded of hay alright? some of our fields have some moderate inclines to them, which was my biggest concern. just looking for some insight before i get ahead of myself. thanks



There are serveral veriables here to say that it will be able to handle it just fine. You need to consider how much does your 1650 weight, how big of a baler, how big are your wagons, and how heavy are your bales?

I have never been on a 1650, but I baled hay for 15 years with my Oliver 1950, JD336 baler, and 18' wagons. There were alot of hills that I would be cutting into while going up and there were alot of hills that I needed the extra weight (tractor) to hold me back. We had to use common sense when loading wagons. I would of perffered to bale with the JD 4020 becuase it had a diff lock and better controls, but the 4020 was much nicer to run the roads with the wagons.


What I am saying is that you will probably be ok, but use common sense when you have a load behind you. Just because someone says it will handle it, don't believe it. Be Cautious until you have a good feel for what your working with and working against.
 
The more you can rake your windrows on the contour, the easier it is to pull a baler and easier to change wagons. It helps if your brakes are in good condition too.
 
Pay attention to Haymaker! He is talking common sense. Any person using a 77 with a baler and wagon does so a his own peril unless it is on level land and the load is small. It sounds nice to say follow the contours but one always risks a wagon overturning if it has much of a load. Going up or down a hill has it's own set of risks. You might not have enough traction to pull the hill (it is not an easy thing to back a baler with a wagon attached). It can also be exciting to go down a hill and only have marginal control. All of this being said, your 1650 should do fine with moderate loads and good brakes as long as the tires are good and the ground isn't too steep.
 
Do you think they always made tractors as big as a 1650? Before we had the 77,Dad always baled with the 66 pulling a baler with somebody stacking bales on the wagon. This is the whole "I need a 5 plow tractor to farm 40 acres" thing all over again.
 
(quoted from post at 21:50:35 07/21/15) Do you think they always made tractors as big as a 1650? Before we had the 77,Dad always baled with the 66 pulling a baler with somebody stacking bales on the wagon. This is the whole "I need a 5 plow tractor to farm 40 acres" thing all over again.


The problem is not that they need a bigger tractor to do the same job as they did in the past; it’s the fact that people ask these questions on this site on a regular basis. When I hear “will my will my 1650 do this or will my 1850 do that”, I hear a novice asking a question and looking for advice. The vast majority of the time I will read a response to their question such as, “you will be fine with that setup” or “you will be walking the dog with the that setup”

Without stating all of the variables, how do we know that they will be fine with it, or it will walk the dog???? Just because someone had no issue at all with that set up, it doesn’t mean that the next guy will have the same successes. This can be very miss leading to the user and can even jeopardize their livelihood.

I’m for sure if I asked “will my 1950 handle an 8’x18’ dump box full of shell corn”, I will get some responses on how great the 1950 will do with the load and not even know it’s behind me; but in reality not knowing all of the variables can kill someone. If I was on the flats with no mud and did not have to worry about making a quick stop, then I would probably be OK. Would I want to go down a hill with it [u:0f06b1e680][i:0f06b1e680][b:0f06b1e680]NOT KNOWN [/b:0f06b1e680][/i:0f06b1e680][/u:0f06b1e680]that there is around 30,000 pounds pushing against me? Probably not unless I was complementing suicide.

What I am getting at without known and stating the variables we can miss guide a novice. Just because an old 77 or 66 worked in the past doesn’t mean that it will work for me or the next guy. In the end; the user should use a lot of common sense in understanding the situation
 
You should be fine. Just keep in mind how you're going to want to bale it when you mow it.
If you have steep ground, you want to be able to start your load on the steep parts, then have some level ground to finish up the load.
You also have to think about how heavy your baler is - even if the tractor can hold back the weight, a loaded hay wagon will push your baler, especially in turns.
As with doing anything new, take small bites and chew them well, until you get used to it.
Pete
 
DO NOT GO DOWN HILL IN UNDERDRIVE
You don't say 2 speed or 3 speed, however both will run away with you in under, keep them in direct or over drive.
Nothing like trying to load hay on a wagon going down hill when the driver is in low trying to hold back with the brakes. Also need the rear tires loaded for traction.
 


Yup, that is defiantly one of the most important variable involved with baling hay on a hill with them Ollies. I did not want to bring it up with all these die hard Ollie guys!!!!
 
I realize I am a bit late with my thoughts, but I would say check around your neighborhood and see what is being used in your area. if a similar size unit works for others you should be OK.
I pull the same setup, less thrower, here in SW MO. Used to be around the same in SC PA years ago, but neither area is as steeply hilly as perhaps SW WI or the Appalachians.
 
30,000 thousand lbs,behind a farm tractor,that would be dangerous. The tractor better weigh the same as the load.
 
With good brakes, if you can limit the weight of the baler and wagon to no more than twice the weight of the tractor you should be OK on 15 percent slopes. What size wagons will you be pulling and how many bales will be in a load? Is a moderate slope 5 percent, 10 percent or 20 percent grade? Are there weights or fluid on the rear tractor tires?
 
(quoted from post at 05:44:12 07/22/15)
Just because an old 77 or 66 worked in the past doesn’t mean that it will work for me or the next guy. In the end; the user should use a lot of common sense in understanding the situation
It is certainly a good thing he is getting advice from an expert like yourself. Wow just think you may have saved his life! And the common sense thing ... brilliant!
 
Your oh so right...too many times on this site you get the generic answer on how great that old ollie is and you won't even know that the load is behind you. I am glad that I am starting to hear users chim in with more of the different veriables, not just the standard "you will be fine with that setup!". I do admire the die hard Ollie guys and there passion, but more awarness needs to be presented when soemone ask can my old Ollie do this or will my old Ollie do that....
 
Far from an expert...
Common sense anit too common, if it was they would not be asking can my Ollie do this or can my Ollie do that???
How ever common sense is stating the veriables, not just providing a false sense of security and saying your Ollie is the best thing in the world and you will have no problem with that set up.
 
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Humor, I love it….

So I stated numerous cold hard facts about the dangers of blurting out answers without any thought or consideration to the variables that pertain to the question that are being asked here. Since my response (the truth) offends you, I do not how to value your wisdom anymore.

Common Sense anit to common. Blurting out an answer without even thinking about variables that are associated to it; is a lack of common sense. I fully understand that under the variables of your personal experiences may have resulted in no issues and only pure successes. I am not you and you are not me. All of your variables are different then all of mine. Please be considerate of the different variables that other people may encounter while performing similar actions that you have had with nothing but pure successes.
 
Wow did you cut and paste from somewhere or made it up as you went along?i bet that took quite a while LOL. Ok now fellows you both made your point.codyw use common sense/caution until you have experience with the process and always really
 
If you ever saw National Lampoons Christmas Vacation,you'll understand the line "Where's the Tylenol". LOL
 
Another thing your gonna want to be aware of that I havent seen anyone mention yet is when your turning on hillsides the tractor may hold the wagon back but the baler may not. One of the guys I help bale hay was turning at the bottom of a hill one time and when the baler started to follow the tractor around the turn, the wagon started to out run the baler sliding it sideways and busting the spindle off of the pickup side. Luckily the wagon jackknifed and stopped itself, and somehow managed to not spill a single bale.
 


Ya, but a couple of pounds more than the tractor. LOL. I know for sure that some of those bales were over a hundred pounds. The baler itself was heavy.
 
(quoted from post at 22:47:36 07/23/15) My guess would be way shy of 30,000 pounds.


Maybe you need to double up on your Tylenol and take your talents to the county fair and start guessing the weigths of the locals.
 
baled hale all over the rolling hills of east tn with a 1650, 520 with thrower and four or five wagons holds approximately 100 to 125 bales; never saw my uncles or dad have any trouble
 
My neighbor brought his restored 1850 to a 4th of July party one year to show it off and give hayrides. I piled into the wagon with my wife and girls and about 20 other folks for a ride. He let his brother drive it who for some reason took it out of gear on a steep downhill section of the road. He stood on the brakes all the way down that hill probably doing at least 30mph and his face and mine were white as a sheet. Everyone else just thought he was taking them for a thrill ride.
 
Started out with d 15 Allis stacking bales and moved up to 1650 but as they say I was using a smaller tractor first and had a lot of experience .I always watched who ever was on the baler you always had somebody who thought they could pull the hydro power on to shift down. If I had my dad on the tractor we ran in 4th gear we were picking up after a 7 ft haybine and you stayed busy on the wagon.
One day the oliver broke down and we put the d 15 back on the first bale out went over the top of the wagon
 

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