White 8800 Perkins in a 2-105?

jmcarlic

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I've got a turbocharged Perkins 6-354.3 out of a White 8800 combine and there's a guy interested in it for his White 2-105 with a bad motor. I know he'll need his manifolds to keep the turbo on top, but other than that, will the swap work? Will he have everything from his original engine that he'll need to swap over? Has anyone on here ever actually done that swap before? I just don't want this guy to end up with a motor he can't use.

Thanks in advance!
 
Have a 105 as well with a bad motor. Local dealer
that has installed a combine motor in a 105 before
told me not to do it. I don't remember the details
in the differences. Said it can be done, but with
lots of hassles and problems.
 
OK. Well, I'll let them know. I appreciate it.

However, if anyone has any more details I'd be interested in them. Both for my curiosity and so I can tell them what they're getting into and let them make the decision.

For example...
Will the oil pans interchange?
Will the back bellhousing plate interchange?
Will the manifolds interchange?
Will the oil filter mount interchange?
Anything else?

Thanks everybody!
 
I guess it will depend if he is doing the work or hiring it done. I replaced the engine in my 1850 diesel about 10 years ago with a 354-T out of a MF 750 combine. Basically used the MF block and had to put all of the Oliver parts on the MF block. It was time consuming. I had to make my own exhaust system because the turbo on the MF mounted on the side of motor instead of the top and added the MF air cleaner. Made a good reliable tractor for under $1000. Check the archives, I have posted about it several times, you should be able to find the posts. E-mail me if you want to , Chris
 
The dot 3 engines are a little different than either a dot 1 or the later dot 4 engines used in a 2-105. Is this an early 2-105 with a dot one or a late one with a dot 4 engine?
 
It's not my tractor, it's a guy who's interested in the motor I have. I kinda doubt he knows what it is (dot1/dot4) either :(

I'm just looking to gather facts so I can let him know what he is potentially getting into and make a well-informed decision.
 
super99 - just found a picture of your swap in the archive (I just now figured out how to search the archive)! Nice! I like it! Looks to me like everything from the front cover and from the bellhousing plate was reused but you used the MF block and head? I found another poster who was able to reuse his 105 manifolds, so maybe this won't be as bad as I thought.
 
The exhaust manifolds wouldn't interchange, the bolt holes didn't match from turbo to non turbo heads. Everything else bolted up OK, used the 1850 damper pulley. It wasn't that difficult or I never could have done it. Chris
 
This one's out of an 8700 White. It was an easy swap. I had to strip it down to the block and head and change everything,including the plumbing for the oil pump,but everything was a direct bolt up. Like somebody else said though,the folks at Worthington told me the bolt pattern for the manifold was the same on the 1850 as it was on the combine,but it was different on the 2-105. One had a horizontal pattern,the other diagonal. I just don't remember which was which. It's something you'd better check.
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Yeah, I think this guy is up for changing everything over, but the exhaust manifold is going to be the problem. The 8800 Perkins has an angled bolt pattern and from looking at pictures online, the 2-105 Perkins should have a straight bolt pattern. Bummer.

Has anyone tried to mount a turbo on an 1850 Oliver exhaust manifold? I know there's not a turbo flange, but I bet an adapter could be made fairly easily. Probably cheaper than swapping the head over from the 105.

I told the guy about the issues I found in doing this swap for his tractor. He said he'd let me know. Maybe he'll still try to make it work. I know I probably would, but I enjoy challenges like that.

Thanks for all your help everyone!
 
Do you know that there's anything wrong with the head that's on the tractor engine or is the trouble on the bottom end? If the head is OK,I'd be up for just having the valves ground and putting it on the combine block.
 
Don't know the details on his 105 but I think he said it was down on power and smoking a lot. He's basically trying to get his tractor running for as cheap as he can (aren't we all :D ), so the fewer gaskets and machine work, the better.
 
(quoted from post at 10:11:17 03/25/15) Don't know the details on his 105 but I think he said it was down on power and smoking a lot. He's basically trying to get his tractor running for as cheap as he can (aren't we all :D ), so the fewer gaskets and machine work, the better.

I wonder if his turbo is shot?
 
Yeah, turbo is definite possibility. However, that guy changed his mind today. He decided it was too much to change over.

But I got a call today from another guy with a 2-105 looking for a motor. What's the deal with the 105s lately? Is there a plague or something? Anyway, I told him everything I know about the challenges and he's still interested. So, looks like there's still hope for my Perkins to find a good home yet. Anyway, I'll keep you all informed.

I'd still like to know if modifying an 1850 exhaust manifold to accept a turbo would work for a swap like this.

Thanks!
 

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