1750 with a 283 Diesel?

Married2Allis · Dec 22, 2014

I checked out a 1750 at a dealer in PA last week. From the looks of the intake and exhaust manifolds, appears like it has a 283 Waukesha, and not the 310?

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Donald Lehman · Dec 22, 2014

Can't say for sure, but that does look like a 1650 motor.

BM · Dec 22, 2014

C.H. Wendel's book shows a 1750 with a crossfire, but
I've never seen one.

That engine is a 283 1800A engine, due to the double
oil filters.

formenwhogrow · Dec 22, 2014

How do you know the tractor is actually a 1750?
Could be a re-badged 1650?

Married2Allis · Dec 22, 2014

I am pretty sure it is 1750, but haven't checked the S/N yet which is 186690427 (is there a site to check it on?). It has the 18.4/34 rears, correct rims, seems alot bigger than the 1650.

Married2Allis · Dec 22, 2014

Thanks and good catch! Looks like the 1800A/283 had 74HP (if you can trust tractordata.com) and a generator. I wonder if it took much hacking to swap it in. The motor runs pretty good and doesn't smoke much, but have to wonder how many hours it has since it's a 1960-1962 - the tach is showing 6005 this 1967 1750. Would there be anything to look for with an engine swap? I did not see any leaks.

J. Schwiebert · Dec 22, 2014

It is not a 1650. Serial number rear end code is for a 17 or 1850.

Cas · Dec 22, 2014

I think an alternator bracket from a late 770 would work. Just have to buy a longer fan belt.

J. Schwiebert · Dec 22, 2014

Well I did not look at Tractor Data but from experience the 1800 A diesel had about 68 Horse Power. Since the early 1650 had the same engine and they certified 66 horse power I would put that 74 figure out of my mind. Now on the other hand a nice running 1750 will do 80 and do it with nice numbers on fuel consumption.

Kirk Norlin · Dec 22, 2014

I think the swap wouldn't be too bad. I believe I read that some of the late 1800c models were rebadged & re-serial numbered into 1750's because they weren't selling after the 50 series were introduced.

Married2Allis · Dec 22, 2014

But then again, here is another 1750 ('69 w/over-under) I saw today on CL with the same manifolds (crossfire intake):

Married2Allis · Dec 22, 2014

That seems to explain it. TractorData.com is showing the 1800B/C with the 'crossfire' intake and claims that it's a 5.1L (310) w/80hp:

J. Schwiebert · Dec 22, 2014

Compare the 2 engines. They both have the 2 engine oil filters. The 1800 A series diesels are the only Oliver engines where a full flow and a bypass filter is attached to the engine block

Polardiesel · Dec 26, 2014

Late 1800's and early 1750's had 310 energy
cell engines.hard to tell the difference by
looking at them if its a 283 or 310. All 310
engines are rated at 2400 rpm. 283's are rated
lower maybe 2200 in a 1650. Im not sure of
rated speed for a 283 in 1800. Maybe 2000? All
1750's are rated at 2400.

BM · Dec 26, 2014

On crossfire engines, you can usually tell the difference between a 283 and 310 by pulling the dipstick and looking at the connecting rod.

Most 283 crossfire's will have a straight cap rod, while all 310's will have a angled cap rod.

283 direct injection engines also had angled caps.

J. Schwiebert · Dec 26, 2014

You said: Late 1800's and early 1750's had 310 energy cell engines> Proof it! The first 1750 they showed the dealers in 1976 were direct injection 310 engines. 1800 B & C diesel were 310 with a Lanova chamber and they ran 2200 at Rated speed. The 1750 tractors all ran 2400 rated RPM. BM is also correct,1650 engines with a Lanova engine have straight cut rods and 7/16 inch bolts while the 310 engines have the angle cut tongue & groove rods and 3/8 inch rod bolts. Yes 1800 A series with a 283 engine were rated @2000 RPM.

Polardiesel · Dec 26, 2014

Its a known fact that 1800c were sold as 1750's
early on. Only difference being the badging. I
am aware of the offset rod caps in a direct
injection 310, but i have never been inside a
310 energy cell engine so i am unsure on the
rod caps in those. I was also thinking the 1800
c serial numbers continue as 1750 numbers. The
first 1750 starts in 1965 with number 149835.
Thats two years before direct injection came
out on the 1950t, along with 3speed.

J. Schwiebert · Dec 26, 2014

Like I said and also Brad mentioned, I have a book that said they were going to update some 1800 as 1750's. IT DID NOT happen. We had one ordered never got it. First 1750 were introduced to the dealer in Charles city in August of 1966. I was there. Without looking serial numbers start at 180 something. Also when the 1950T was introduced the 3 speed was not available yet. We sold 6 of the 1950T models before the 3 speed was available. They built one run of 1800 models after the1650 was introduced and before the1850 tractors but they are listed in with the 1800 models. I would like to see a copy of your paperwork.

Polardiesel · Dec 26, 2014

I am getting my serial number info. From c.h.
wendel's oliver hart-parr book. I do know there
are typos in this book, but so far i havent
found any problems w/ the serial list. There is
also a factory photo in this book of a 1750
with a very obvious energy cell engine. I have
also witnessed one on a dyno at antique acres
in cedar falls iowa. I am going to investigate
this more on agco parts books.

J. Schwiebert · Dec 26, 2014

One winter they made a statement at the winter collectors show if you were going to the winter show to bring that book along and they would have a session so you could make the necessary corrections. I think that is also the book that he mentioned the 570 gas Cockshutts were only sold in Canada. I did not know that northwest Ohio was part of Canada as there were 2 of them around here. There is also a book out there talks about the early 88 diesels. The one they show in the picture is not an early 88 and the hydraulic unit is off of an 880.

richlandfarm · Jun 2, 2017

This tractor you looked at several years ago did it happen to have a utility front end ?

richlandfarm · Jun 3, 2017

(quoted from post at 04:15:44 06/03/17) This tractor you looked at several years ago did it happen to have a utility front end ?

This question was for Married2Allis , I think I may have just bought this tractor.

Married2Allis · Jun 4, 2017

The one I looked at had the utility front end and was in Pitman PA at Schreffler Equipment. Had a hydrapower and needed some work on the chain coupling (shook a bit) otherwise ran ok. They had just got it on a trade and wanted $5500.

richlandfarm · Jun 4, 2017

I just bought this one end of last week off pictures and talking to the guy selling it. I hope it will get delivered this week. He gave me the serial number but was unable to make out a couple of the numbers but what he could make out matched what you had listed. It is in Halifax PA. But coming to Maryland. I was figuring the motor had been changed due to the injectors we have a 1750
with direct injection and a 1800C with the injectors on the side of the head like this one.

Married2Allis · Jun 5, 2017

Looks like that one is probably at a least a '67 because of the Hydraul Shift and yep the original motor would have been direct injection.

richlandfarm · Jun 5, 2017

Serial number started with 186 but it does not have over/under, whoever painted it put on the wrong decal set, it only has the two position hydra.

richlandfarm · Jun 16, 2017

The 1750 got delivered today, overall pretty good hard starter and paint color is a little off but over all happy with it. now to figure out what motor is in it. Looking at the serial number it is the same one Married2allis looked at years back.

J. which casting number did you want off of it. there are three rows of numbers behind the starter.

Married2Allis · Jun 16, 2017

Where are you at? Did you buy it from a dealer? Looks sharp. I always have to wonder how the 4-digit fenders get pushed down in the back like that. lol

richlandfarm · Jun 16, 2017

(quoted from post at 21:50:52 06/16/17) Where are you at? Did you buy it from a dealer? Looks sharp. I always have to wonder how the 4-digit fenders get pushed down in the back like that. lol

Located in Cecil county MD. Yeah bought it from a used equipment dealer in Halifax PA, It is pretty clean. Just a shame some one spent a lot of time cleaning it up and prepping it.but used the wrong paint it is flat and too dark. Other than that other than the PTO not stopping and it seems to have some fuel delivery issue it will pop right off with a sniff of either but with out nothing not even smoke.

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