white 2-105

Hello, i bought a white 2-105 with a bad engine and wondered if a perkins from a combine would work in it? Did the put turbos on combine engines?im guessing you shouldnt turbo a non turbo engine..
 
750 Massey was turboed. Check the direction of the manifold bolts. When I put one out of a White combine in my 1850 Oliver,they told me at Worthington that the heads were drilled different for the bolts in the 2-85 and 105s than they were in the 1850s and combines. They were horizontal in one and diagonal in the other. I don't remember which is which,seems like the combines and 1850s are diagonal. You'd either have to drill and tap new holes,use the head off the tractor or use the combine manifold.
 
Early 2-105 tractors had a T354.1 engine. Late 2-105 tractors were a turboed dot 4 engine. How about some tractor and engine serial numbers. Do you understand the Perkins build number system?
 
I dont know serial numbers or engine numbers yet because i havent got it home yet....im just learning these whites...i was john deere
 
Check the front of the crank on that one. Your balancer might or might not fit. I found one in a 550 when I was looking for one. I went to the dealer and talked to one of the mechanics who had put a combine engine in his 1850 Oliver. We went in and looked at the parts book. It appeared to us at the time that those two had different cranks.
 
Dave - As a fellow 2-105 owner (and past JD user)... Welcome! I just could not turn down the HP for the $, and (knock on wood) it was a great decision. Our 2-105 is used mostly with the 15' batwing (as the factory hydraulics have no float position, I did have to add a 2 circuit aftermarket spool valve on it to control the wings, but now having 4 circuits has proven very useful. It's easy to do). The tractor is very powerful and nimble, with great steering, a good 3 speed power shift (look out for free wheeling in low), and a decent cab. You might miss the foot throttle and diff lock of your Deere tractors. Regarding the Perkins engine... What's wrong with it? Could it be rebuilt? Parts are not difficult to get (Perkins is now owned by Cat). Good luck, and keep us posted with your progress (and pictures!).
 
Steve...it was a bad year farming for me so i have to regroup do to speak..im saying goodbye to my 4430 and bought a 2-105 needing some attention. .it will mostly be spreading fertilizer and pulling a 750 no till drill..only reason i wondered about engine change is i found a perkins 354 dot 4 out of a massey 550 combine with low hrs cheap..otherwise im going to just fix the one i have.i need to find a cab door also....
 
Putting a .4 out of a combine into a 2-105 that had a early engine is not a very pleasant task. You'll need quite a few parts off a 2-110.
 
The combine motors have 4 bolts. The 2 diagonal holes on the 1850 manifold will line up with 2 of the
holes in the combine head.
 
Randy, are you refering to the end of the crank where it is either a spline or a keyed shaft. Or is it in the length of throw in the connecting rod?
I was thinking of trying to shave down a keyed shaft pulley in the lathe. Have to do some measuring first. The keyed pulleys I have run across are too big to lay into the 1850 pulley.
 
I will second that there are a lot forging numbers. If you have somebody to help you, the number of crank numbers can be reduced quite a bit.
 
We didn't even get that far. We noticed right off the bat that the one on the tractor had one big bolt holding a round disc to hold things on and the one on the combine had a disc held by three 3/8ths bolts. I don't even remember if he thought one was splined and the other keyed.
 
Randy, When I put the 354T out of a MF 750 in my 1850, the 750 motor had 2 large (5/8th's?) bolts in the front where the Oliver alternator brackets bolt on, the Oliver had smaller bolts(3/8th's?). I got a handful of the larger bolts and started drilling holes thru the center of the bolt lengthwise until I got 2 that were centered pretty good, tapped threads in them and when I put the alternator bracket on, I locktited them and screwed them in. They have held for 12 years so far. The front damper pulley fit on the MF crank, no problems. The rear of the crankshaft had double the number of threaded holes that the Oliver had. Don't remember exactly how I did it, but picked the right set of holes to bolt the flywheel to the first time I put it on. Wish I had had a digital camera back then, too many small changes that I had to make and don't remember all of them. Chris
 
I just remembered the manifolds. I considered leaving the turbo off and using the regular Oliver manifolds, BUT, the head was drilled wrong for the Oliver manifolds. Decided to go ahead and use the MF manifolds and turbo instead of redrilling the head. Had to make my own exhaust and use the 750 air cleaner. Seems like the Oliver pistons had a dish in the center and the MF pistons were flat top also. Wonder what else I will remember??
Gaskets. I was asking an old time Oliver dealer for guidance while doing this and asked him to figure out which gaskets I would need to put her back together. He called and said he had my gasket set, I picked it up and found they had included just about every gasket ever made for a Perkins, even had a pan gasket for a vertical mounted engine. I had plenty of spares!! LOL Chris
 
I put a 354T out of a MF 750 in my 1850 about 12 years ago. There were some challenges, but nothing terrible. You need to pull both engines, set them side by side and strip the MF engine to the bare block and then take every off of the White engine and put it on the MF block. Mine worked out well, I would not hesitate to do it again. Go to the archives and look back at my posts from several years ago, there are pictures from before I painted it, you can see the red block with all of the green parts on it. E-mail is open if you have questions or post back here and I will try to help you if I can. Chris
 
Thanks for all the replies....as usual nothings easy...when i get it home i will assess it better....thanks everyone
 

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