Found a loader

Don-Wi

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Yesterday I took an hour drive and bought a 1610 leader to go on my 1600. Picked it up for $800, and other than the rust it's in pretty good shape. The holes aren't wallowed out, and it's only got one crack that was repaired. Hope to mount it today after I wake up (just got home from working second shift, so I'm going to bed soon) and use it Friday to load manure.

Eventually plan to hook it up with power beyond to free up the remotes again.

Donovan from Wisconsin
 
Would like to see your hook up with Power Beyond. Email
is open. I have same loader for my 1650. Just finished
repairs, new hoses and steel lines. Email is open and
thanks in advance.
 
Shep:

I saved a discussion thread some time back. (2004) I tried to attach it with the email but that did not work. There is also the Service Bulletin that describes adding a third remote valve. I removed the names. If the posters want to add comments, that would be helpful too.

1655 power beyond 06-20-2004
Just finally finished up the new loader valve set up. For refresher it is a 3 spool valve. We installed it according to how we were told by you guys (THANKS :) ) and by the directions.
i apologize to ******- i am stealing his picture that he posted in response to one of my Qs a while back. IN THE PIC: of the three ports outlined - i used the top port as my supply/pressure line. Then i used the bottom port as the return line - b/c it is a 3 spool valve (1 for loader, 1 for bucket, one for hugger). The pressure line is 1/2" and the return is 3/4". The valve itself - has only an inlet and outlet - only the two ports. SO, I fired the tractor up, activated the loader valve handle. I can see pressure building in the line, but nothing happened. Then i tried the other handles - same thing. Basic question that I can never remember - is the 1655 closed center or open center??? The valve is set up as open at factory but is convertable. HELP! thanks very much for your help.

Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
I was about 2/3 asleep when I did the post last night. Power beyond is only found on open center systems. I also think the screw head you are talking about on the inlet side is the relief valve for the Cross valve. If it is set at 1500 which is a fairly common setting it will also limit your tractor remotes and 3 point to 1500. See if you can find some paper work on your valve. All the power beyond systems I work with have an inlet port, the port to furnish hydraulic power down stream and the drain port for the first valve. 3/4 inch inlet and return ports are also common for that size valve. Questions? Post on HPOCA site and I will send you some information on Power beyond we used to pass out in hydraulic fundamentals classes.

Re: Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
The reason I say it is the open center/closed center capscrew is b/c that is what it calls it in the literature that came with the valve. I don’t know what that means in terms of pressure relief then. There are a couple of cap screws on top of the valve - perhaps one of them is the pressure relief??

Re: Re: Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
What is the chance of getting a photocopy of that piece of literature? Also you asked about the 3/4 inch return line. Remember when the cylinders retract more oil comes out than what goes to the other end of the cylinder. Mowing lawn lets you think all kinds of good things.

Re: Re: Re: Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
I sent you an email with the diagram. As for the return line... it seems like the 3/4" line isn’t a complete waste b/c the line will hold some extra oil too, even though it will be squeezed thru the 1/2" hole. Do you think that’s accurate? Considering the exponential difference in cost between 1/2" and 3/4" hoses, I want to feel somewhat justified in my getting the 3/4" hose...Thanks for all the help everyone.

Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
Remove the plug labeled inlet port, there is another threaded area a couple of inches inside. I think it takes a quarter inch pipe plug-has to be one with an allen head. Replace the outside plug. This will put the oil through the valve then back to the system. Just remember to remove the plug or install a jumper hose if you take the valve off.

Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
Spools and ports are not the same thing. I do not know what brand of valve you have, but I am used to Commercial and Gresen. Notice the picture said for two port and three port. You have a 2 port valve so you say. Now is your valve a power beyond valve. All the power beyond valves I worked with need a separate drain line. Explain your remote valve a little better. Did you change the plug inside the cover? Do the tractor remotes and 3 point work

Re: Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
Well I feel like an idiot - 3 spool, two port. DUH. Thanks for clearing that up. That means I messed up big time. So my return line should go into the middle hole depicted above. ARRRRG, does that mean I got a 3/4" hose by mistake??? If it is a 1/2" port why have a 3/4" line?
I did plug that hole in the housing - 3/8" hole by the way. And I have my 1/2" pressure line coming from that hole - the top hole depicted above.
The valve itself: it has a 3/4" inlet on one side, the 3/4" outlet and the capscrew for the open/closed center on the other side. On top it has 6 - 1/2" holes for the hoses to the loader, etc. It says it is a power beyond valve. It is made by CROSS. Does anyone remember if the 1655 is closed or open center? I can’t find our book on the darned thing.... When *** wrote up the lines in the pic - why did he say "exhaust" and "bypass" as if they are two different things? What is the difference? Thanks very much, again...

Re: Re: Re: 1655 power beyond in reply to ***
I labeled those ports as they are labeled in the Oliver Service Manual. I have that page, of the manual, scanned and can e-mail it to you. It may help clear things up. It's an open center system.
 
Thanks so much Dennis!
I hope to have my loader mounted next week. This is very timely.
ShepFL
 

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