Cockshutt 1650 Hydraulics, location relief valve?

pheby

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I have a new to me 1650, I believe it's a 1967.
I cannot lift a 1500 bale of hay, it feels like the hydraulics to lift are restricted in some way.
The tilt for the loader has enough power to lift a bales weight, but the loader lift cannot.
I have read for hours posts relating to this, and now am at wits end.
I have adjusted the restrictor valve out, and played with it to no avail.
I have cleaned the filter or element.
Filled with ATF fluid, the hydraulic fluid was low initially.
I spray washed the tractor and cannot find any leaks in the hydraulics.
I have tried to locate the hydraulic relief valve, but am not able to find it, googling it or otherwise.
I am thinking according to my research so far that I will try and locate, clean screen etcetera for the relief valve if someone can point me in the right direction.
Maybe it is sticking??
I'm sure there is information I am missing please keep in mind I am not mechanically inclined, but I do my best.
So idiot proof directions would be needed..:)
Any help certainly would be appreciated, bought tractor to put 1500lb hay bales out for horses.
Hopefully someone can help, tired and frustrated.
 
I wouldn't put ATF/ use ATF for the hydraulic system. Use something like a Hy-Tran oil. ATF is to thin maybe your problem. I assume you have a loader on this tractor. Do you have the hoses hooked up in the remotes. If you have a 3000psi gauge put it in one of remotes and dead head it and see what you get for pressure.
 

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I don't have a pressure gauge.
I added fluid according to the owners manual.
Now I'm wondering if you are right, and I should drain the fluid.
I still need to locate the relief valve, just for my own relief..:)
 
Well first of all is the hydraulic system the style with a 3 point hitch or is it the style used on wheat land tractors (no 3- point)? Also remember a worn pump and a leaking relief valve will act the same. Do take a coupler and place a pressure gauge in there and tell us what pressure you have. I would use universal hydraulic fluid and remember the 1650 models were introduced 50 year ago and hydraulic oil have changed. Do the pressure check first.
 
(quoted from post at 05:06:26 09/28/14) Well first of all is the hydraulic system the style with a 3 point hitch or is it the style used on wheat land tractors (no 3- point)? Also remember a worn pump and a leaking relief valve will act the same. Do take a coupler and place a pressure gauge in there and tell us what pressure you have. I would use universal hydraulic fluid and remember the 1650 models were introduced 50 year ago and hydraulic oil have changed. Do the pressure check first.

There is not a 3 point hitch, I believe it is hydra-electric, I will try and get a pressure gauge.
I am working the next 5 days, so won't be able to get to it til next weekend.
I will pick up some universal hydraulic fluid and try that as well.
Thanks for the advice, I'll post any solutions as i try them.
 
Do the pressure test before you change the fluid. Do you have a telephone. I am still trying to determine which hydraulic system you have. J.
 
(quoted from post at 14:54:12 09/28/14) Do the pressure test before you change the fluid. Do you have a telephone. I am still trying to determine which hydraulic system you have. J.

I am including some pics which may help identify the hydraulic system, as I'm not sure of the answer.
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