1850 with a BAD ENGINE

lenray

Well-known Member
What should a fella do with this outfit???? Tractor is all good except for the engine. Crank is bad etc.....

Fix-repower-give up on it?????????????
 
How about more details? Is the crank broke? What else is bad on the engine? still have my e-mail? Yours went into cyber space like a lot of other ones I had. What is this with 1850's in Michigan that received no care ?
 
You're talking diesel right? Just go down to St Johns or over to Owosso and get a combine engine. For that matter,go to Fair Salvage and tell them if one comes in,in a Massey 510 or 750,or a White to let you know. It'd be cheaper there. Your nephew works there doesn't he?
As long as you've got the old one for the parts you need,it's a simple swap. If you need a hand,give me a shout. I'm not that far away.
This wouldn't be one of the non runners from yesterday would it?
 
I just got a 1850 from work with a froze block that is cracked I got a motor from work for 300 bucks out of a massey combine I am thinking about make 2-85/2-105 front motor mounts for it what do you all think Iam A fabricator by trade so making them is not a problem I am thinking about making some jigs to make front motor mounts for others
 
depends on how the front is on the original motor if the oulley is good and all and I think there would be les work than changing covers do you think ?
 
and depending on the cranks if there slined or keyed I have talked with Ian C and Andy Narhi at RF engine . Andy was telling me that Olies can be a pain in the neck about engine specs . it ahs a 354 by the way
 
Which Massey combine is it out of? The only one I know that might be an issue is from a 550. With one from a 510 or 750,use the original tractor front cover,pan and water pump. There's a lot more that that you'll have to change,but you'll find out for yourself.
I put one out of a White 8700 in mine. No big deal. The one thing you need to know is when you change the oil filter mount over to the other side so you can use the cooler,change the plumbing from the oil pump too. You have to use the tube from the tractor engine to get it to the other side. It involves putting a pipe plug and a soft plug in the side where the combine oil filter base was.
By building new mounts,I'm afraid you might get in to some trouble with your PTO long shaft if you don't have the alignment perfect.
 
It is a crate motor for a combine so I don"t know what all I am going to have do it a na motor that I traded for from turbocharged engine . My plan is to build the mounts with the bad engine that"s in the tractor with trunion mount still on there so everything should be all lined up perfectly then put the new mounts on the good engine so it should be good The turbo charged engine had the exhaust manifold bolts in the wrong location so I would have had to change heads for manifolds to work . Also I think it would be over fueling when the turbo is taken off
 
I probably can't help on your current project, but I'm in the area (south of I-96). I play with Olivers (88 puller among others) and would like the opportunity to meet, compare notes and shot the breeze. Drop me an email (open).
 
Hmmmm. Not saying I'm right at all,but the only ones I knew with the bolts the wrong way were the engines in the 2-85 and 2-105 White tractors. Could be that the 550 Massey combine had them the wrong way. The 1850's were the same as most combine motors though. The problem comes with putting them in the White tractors.

As far as the turbo,Super99 put one from a 750 in his and left the turbo on. He could tell you if he used the trunion or not.
 
I've put a combine motor in my 2-85 andit actually had the extra holes in the head for the exhaust manifold that had plugs in them. But I had to drill new ones in the intake. I'm also located in Michigan in the thumb near Bad Axe.
 
I did two 1850s; made the side motor mounts because I bought the tractors without engines.
At that time used front covers, trunion, etc
were quite espensive.
About the alignment. I had to shim and reshim a few times. I know it will run
fine if your not puling much of a load. But, put
a really heavy load on it. Misalignment will show up quickly. I put one of the tractors on a field cultivator and in about 20 minutes the chain coupler turned a dull red. It was fine after reshimming it up.
 
I was talking to an old Oliver guy at an auction Friday about Lee Little's problem with alignment. I'd never heard of such a thing,but he claimed that in addition to shims under the rear mounts,there were different bolts. Ever heard of that?
He said when you take one apart,make sure you get the bolts back in the same holes. I never paid much attention.
 
Frame castings vary too much to offer a jig welded mount for the Oliver frames. 2-85's & 2-105's had extra material in the frame casting and that spot was then machined parallel to the crankshaft, making a manufactured front mount possible.
 
Randy. I pulled quite a few perkins engines out of 1850s for myself and neighbors. I never gave a second thought about the bolts. I will look in the parts book just for the heck of it.
Also, never had a problem getting the pto shaft back in. I have had to play with the splines a little.
A think Lee Little's best bet would be to find somebody that done a few Olivers.
 
I wish I was down there. If I make it down this year,it'll be early August. I don't know if he wants to wait that long,but if it isn't in by then,I'll be more than glad to help out with it.

That old guy I was talking to seemed to know his stuff. He'd been good friends apparently,with the old Oliver dealer here. He told me about a few things he'd diagnosed that I wouldn't have gotten. Didn't seem to be full of himself.
 
Go to the the old Hayes wheel plant on m59 thats where I work at . Drive in thru the tire store entrance and head around back
 

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