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Rear Weights vs Fluid

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1970-1655

01-28-2014 11:15:43
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Looking to change tires on a 1650 with 18.4-34, tubeless. Don't need weight all the time, just when moving snow and things. Which would you prefer, fluid in the tires or bolt on wheel weights? Which would give better traction on packed snow? Fluid would probably add about 2,000 pounds which would mean a lot of wheel weights to get the same weight. Or I could make a belly weight bracket and use hang-on weights in front of the rear tires.

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mab570diesel

01-30-2014 11:19:39
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to rrlund, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
think here when engine has increased load so does transmission



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chucksoliver77

01-28-2014 19:08:57
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to Larry NEIL, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
Thank you



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mab570diesel

01-28-2014 19:08:38
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to Larry NEIL, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
2nd weight anywhere puts more stress on bearings and such because it still more mass to move no matter where you put it may be distributed better in certain areas such as fluid in tires but none the less those bearings still take more stress moving that extra weight. not an astronomical amount of fuel savings but with fuel prices every bit helps



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oliver90owner

01-29-2014 01:06:20
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to mab570diesel, 01-28-2014 19:08:38  
Gears maybe, and brakes, clutch linings etc. All due to the increased inertia (or momentum, when rolling).

You could put ten tonnes on each wheel and the wheel bearings will still only need to bear the weight of the tractor frame Wheels and tyres might not like it, mind!

All dependent on being a balanced load at the bearings, of course. Like wheel spacers were never the proper way to widen the wheel track, to fit oversized tyres to cars back 40 or 50 years ago!

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mab570diesel

01-29-2014 06:52:33
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to oliver90owner, 01-29-2014 01:06:20  
didnt say wheel bearings are there not bearings in transmissions???pretty hard on muffler bearings too lol



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oliver90owner

01-29-2014 15:05:52
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to mab570diesel, 01-29-2014 06:52:33  
Of course there are but they are designed for the loadings applied by the engine power. There is no power supplied by heavy wheels to the gear train, only radial and axial loadings to the half shafts or whatever. Think here basic engineering principles.



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mab570diesel

01-28-2014 18:58:43
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to jordan hackman, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
why do you think they are shaving weight off cars and trucks now days? i tell you for better fuel economy no other reason. the more weight you have the harder the engine works thus using more fuel. put two 2lb. weights on your legs and see how much more "energy" you use



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mab570diesel

01-28-2014 17:55:02
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
i think i would avoid the belly brackets seems to me you would lose some ground clearance ok for pullers but i wouldnt have them on a chore tractor



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J.Wondergem

01-28-2014 16:33:43
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  

Which ever way you go, you might want to think about chains. Mine does good with wheel weights and chains.



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workhorsepuller

01-28-2014 17:33:40
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to J.Wondergem, 01-28-2014 16:33:43  
I have a new set of chains for 18.4 34 if interested 618-363-8187



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chucksoliver77

01-28-2014 16:04:57
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to welding man, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
with the high cost of fuel I would use weights that I could remove when not needed and the easiest would be the belly bracket. Chuck



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Jeff Gravert

01-28-2014 15:49:56
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
Weights dont rot your wheels in half.....



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David G

01-28-2014 12:36:45
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
I use both on loader tractor



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hd6gtom

01-28-2014 12:30:09
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
put tubes in the tires and fill with fluid. You will forget it is in there. Do you have new rims on the tractor, Unless you have new rims it may be hard to get the tubeless tires to seal up on old rims, they were made for tube type tires. You might be able to get them to take air with a lot of Murphys tire mounting compound smeared on the rims.



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rrlund

01-28-2014 11:20:05
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:15:43  
How about just a weight for the 3 point or don't you have one? With that,you could just trip the latches and pull the center link pin and drive away from it. Fill a barrel full of concrete.



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1970-1655

01-28-2014 11:35:48
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to rrlund, 01-28-2014 11:20:05  
Sorry, I did not say, I am using a grader blade on the back and looking to put on a loader.



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old

01-28-2014 13:53:01
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to 1970-1655, 01-28-2014 11:35:48  
Fluid put the weight on the tread so also right to the ground no air cushion. Wheel weights puts weight to the ground by way of an air cushion so not near as good in my opinion



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JASINPA

01-28-2014 18:21:46
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 Re: Rear Weights vs Fluid in reply to old, 01-28-2014 13:53:01  
dont add weight to the frame or front unless you need it , it just causes ware on bearings and such , when you add fluid or wheel weights it dont stress the tractor because its sitting on the ground not on the tractor , and in all my years ive never heard someone say dont add wieght because of fuel use thats just crazy , a tractor is ment for hard work do you think it cares about some extra weight that rolls on the ground , i dont think so , if your pulling a plow , thats differant story that uses fuel not rolling weight

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