1600 with turbo on CL

Hogleg · Jan 28, 2014

http://carbondale.craigslist.org/grd/4297121081.html

Guessing the side curtains are off due to the aftermarket turbo? What are the downsides of adding that much more hp to the drivetrain?

Is there a better way to plumb the loader? Why in heaven's name would they leave the loader red? ugly!

An other obviously glaring issues?

John

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

I'll let somebody else be the final word,but from the fuel tank and dry elemant air cleaner,I think that's an 1850 with a Massey 750 combine 354 Perkins transplant. They just left the Massey manifold and turbo on it instead of using the original 1850 manifold and running it out the hood.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 28, 2014

Its is south on 45 of Effingham Il. The old Barnards trailer sales and acttle farm.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 28, 2014

South of Effingham Il. At the old Barnard Cattle And trailer sale property Or north of Flora Il. on Rt. 45

cobroller · Jan 28, 2014

I think so too, it has the engine oil cooler in front of the water pump like an 1850 diesel.

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

Well now wait a minute.I just looked at it again. That one has the throttle on the dash like an A series 1800. I wonder it they've put an 1850 tub on an 1800A rear end?

rankrank1 · Jan 28, 2014

I will chime in. That is an 1800 (and series A) I do believe. It is even advertised as an 1800. It is not a 1600 nor a 1850. Even still has the 1800 style series A Throttle.

Now as far as the engine: Hard to tell, rrlund is probably correct on that. The 1800 series A Oliver would have been easy to install almost any engine that you desired in there.

cobroller · Jan 28, 2014

good eye

j meyer · Jan 28, 2014

Looks like your on it pretty good there rrlund- its a 354 Perkins, probably out of a Massey combine still with its turbo. Rear end is either an A or B series 1800.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 28, 2014

Look at next to last picture see the square hole in frame for bolting 354 on 1850 seems to be trannes plant

Hogleg · Jan 28, 2014

Sorry, I mistyped the model...

Is this a respectable resulting modification or a mutt?

John

PS. Tractor is just north of Geff, Il which is south of Flora...

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

I agree. The seat is early too. But look at the hole on the tub for the rear motor mount. I think that's an 1850 tub. Look at the second one of an A series 1800 out of the photo archives. They didn't have it.

J. Schwiebert · Jan 28, 2014

Look at the right side It has the hole in the tub where he 1850 bell housing would bolt to the frame.

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

Geez,everybody's jumping in faster than I can post pictures. LOL

Hogleg · Jan 28, 2014

rrlund, being the premier oliver guy on the site :lol: Would you hesitate to own it?

Cheap HP to run my Vermeer 605H...

John

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

Oh shoot. Don't call me the premier Oliver guy on here. I don't want the responsibility. I just farm with the darned relics.
It's probably an OK tractor,can't beat the engine,but the B and C series and 50 series would have better hydraulics. That would be my only problem with it. If you didn't need the loader you could probably buy a nice original 1850 without one for that kind of money.

Hogleg · Jan 28, 2014

I am intrigued by the ability to get 75hp and a loader for $4200. Seems too good to be true. I do hay with a JD 2550 and the 605H can push those 65 horses a bit. 75hp would be better if it is a reliable tractor.

74hp seems low for a 354 CU in engine with turbo. Is the drivetrain up to that power? The A series was a 4.6L 73 HP engine. I bet this puts out considerably more HP at PTO speed. That's a 92HP engine if tuned the same as a 1850.

A series - is the hydraulic point you make about flow or are their maint issues or common failures that make it a PITA to own?

Loader seems lightly built but prob ok for 5x5 rounders, you think?

Do you think it would really consume 6GPH running my baler? My 2550 runs about 3 GPH.

John

rrlund · Jan 28, 2014

I think you'll get 105 horses out of that turboed engine at least. I don't have any experience with those A series transmissions and rearends,but if you're just doing PTO work and not tillage I'd think you'd be alright.
The big thing that was improved in the later hydraulic systems was that they had an external relief valve so you could change the pressure from the outside. On the A series I think you had to take the top off of them to get to that valve. That and the oil was filtered sooner in the system in the later series.
I'd be shocked if you could ever make that tractor burn as much as 6 gallons an hour. They were better on fuel than that.

J. Schwiebert · Jan 28, 2014

1800 A & B have the same hydraulic system. The very first 1850 diesels did not have the "square holes" to remove the rear bolts either. Remember a gear box is rated in pound feet of torque. They put 100 Horse Power through that gear box at 200 RPM in the 1900 models.

J. Schwiebert · Jan 28, 2014

What all are you going to do with the tractor? How often and how hard are you going to use the lader? That tractor appears to have the old style power steering yet.
Have you operated the tractor yet? The GPM for the hydraulic system will be lower than on a C seriesor an 1850 because of the smaller hydraulic pump. Do you have all the data off of the injection pump? Has the transmission ben updated to pressure lube. Have you checked he oil level in the transmission (2 seperate plugs)?Just asking.

super99 · Jan 28, 2014

Yep, that's a 354 out of a MF combine. I couldn't find a better picture of mine, but you can see the turbo hanging on the side. Mine's been this way about 10 years or so. I tried hooking up the air filter like that one is, added the restriction indicator into the pipe. I couldn't open the throttle all the way without tripping the indicator, so I adapted the combine air filter to work. Runs great, the extra power is really nice, no problems. The side panel isn't on because it hits the turbo. I had to cut a 1/2 circle out of mine to get it on. How good that one is is anyone's guess, but I would do another in a heartbeat if the opportunity arose. Chris

mab570diesel · Jan 28, 2014

nice tractor i sure do like those fuel tank fenders really makes the tractor stand out

Hogleg · Jan 28, 2014

(quoted from post at 20:27:45 01/28/14) What all are you going to do with the tractor? How often and how hard are you going to use the lader? That tractor appears to have the old style power steering yet.
Have you operated the tractor yet? The GPM for the hydraulic system will be lower than on a C seriesor an 1850 because of the smaller hydraulic pump. Do you have all the data off of the injection pump? Has the transmission ben updated to pressure lube. Have you checked he oil level in the transmission (2 seperate plugs)?Just asking.

The only use would be running the round baler, a vermeer 605h that requires 75hp, and using the loader to load 1200 lb bales in the field. I rolled about 200 bales last year.

I have not operated the tractor. It seemed unusual enough that I thought to ask here first. I am familiar with my Deere tractor and a small Ford 2000 3 cyl tractor but know little about Oliver tractors. At this point the tractor is an unknown, and I am not a mechanic. I can do some work on my tractors but tend to get a local mechanic for the more difficult tasks.

A well done repower could offer a way to me to obtain a second tractor that is capable of running the baler at a reasonable price. As it stands now, I have 1 tractor to run the mower and baler and a much smaller ford that I use for raking. Selling the Ford and getting a second more powerful tractor would increase my ability to make hay and give me a backup in the event that my primary tractor breaks down.

A poor repower effort would cause needless aggravation. So, learning more about this tractor before engaging the owner is my goal.

One thought is that if the turbo is causing problems due to air intake as described in the Super99 post, perhaps we convert it to naturally aspirated and therefore more like a stock 1850.

I'll give the owner a call tomorrow and see what he knows about the tractor.

John

super99 · Jan 29, 2014

I'm not an expert by any means, just my experience with my tractor. Wish I could see the engine better, but, the pipe from the air cleaner to the turbo looks straighter than the one a muffler guy bent for mine when we tried it. Straighter pipe, less restriction. If he has run it this way for a while and it doesn't smoke excessively, your probably OK. Engine is rated at 120 hp for the combine. Don't know how far away from it you are, but I would suggest going to look at it and drive it, probably be OK. Chris

Anonymous-0 · Jan 29, 2014

a 354T in a combine ran alot more than 120hp, the later 850MF combines with a charge cooler were around 170hp

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