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2150 Project Bosch Pump Question

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Mitch Poindexter

12-04-2013 11:12:40
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Hit a bit of a snag on the 2150 project in relation to the injection pump. Have a Bosch pump from an IH 4366 rebuilt and ready to install on the new Herc, but just realized (I'm not very smart) that the IH tractors don't have a kill lever on the pump for fuel shut off, instead you just push the throttle further to kill the fuel. Before I tear down a newly rebuilt fuel pump to try to figure out how to swap over the Oliver kill lever parts into the IH pump, does anyone know if there is an electronic shutoff solenoid that I can just add to this pump? I'd be perfectly happy with setting this up to shut off with a key switch. Thanks.

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D Schwantes

12-14-2013 22:27:42
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-04-2013 11:12:40  
I have another caution for you. If the pump shop reassembled this pump for IH application, the #1 injector line port is in the wrong position. IH uses #1 straight forward, Herk uses it pointing outward, away from the engine. Flow time check the pump when installing it to see if #1 line matches #1 port. This is what melted down an engine I repaired for a customer.



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e

12-05-2013 09:48:02
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-04-2013 11:12:40  
Is that a model 100? If it is, look at combine motors since those had a kill solenoid. Your best bet would be to try and scrounge a used pump. New solenoids run around $900 unless you get lucky.



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Mitch Poindexter

12-05-2013 11:29:59
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to e, 12-05-2013 09:48:02  
Y, it's a 100 pump. I bought this pump from a local salvage yard, he had about 6 or so of these and I intentionally picked the one NOT from the combine because I didn't need a shutoff solenoid....HA. It's not like I bought it sight unseen either, I had the stupid thing in my hands and didn't notice that it didn't have a kill lever, then to top it off I took it to the pump shop and had it completely rebuilt. Feeling like a real genius here.

Go back to the salvage yard and get the other pump to get the shutoff solenoid you say. I agree, the salvage yard gets $300 per pump. Well, funny thing about that, the guy went out of business on Oct 31st, and everything went into the scrap bins. I got there the day after they had cleaned the fuel pump shelves.....You want to see a grown man cry, I did that day. I managed to save a couple of hydraulic pumps, 3 hydraulic remote valves, and 2 steering cylinders for a 2-150 (yes I did dumpster dive and no I'm not ashamed of it), but alas none of those are helpful here.

The $900 you quoted is funny too, because it's the number I found out yesterday when I came to the conclusion that we'd have to set this thing up with the solenoid to make it work, and then priced one. But that's also the number that the radiator shop quoted me yesterday to re-core the radiator. His words "man, this is a really big radiator with a lot of fins per inch, are you sitting down". Never what you want to hear from him. $900 is how much I paid for the new surplus Herc that we're transplanting into this thing, and also the amount I spent on the 2 stage clutch.

If you're keeping count, yes this winter project is already getting expensive. But on the positive side, my 2nd crop beans did make 12 bushel/acre this year, which is 10 more than last year. The wife is VERY excited about the yield trend.....I'm not letting her in on the joke until after the winter project is finished!

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The tractor vet

12-07-2013 18:11:31
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-05-2013 11:29:59  
Yep ya should have done what we did and put and 8.3 cumming in it . New flywheel yep 900 bucks and the PTO drive forget what that cost four homemade motor mounts a couple pieces of muffler tubing one special hose and some oil pan mods to clear the ft. drive shaft and it was in there running . . Now if anybody needs some 478 herc. parts INCLUDING THE INJECTION PUMP they are forsale and yes the pump does work . Just needs #6 sleeve and piston .

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Mitch Poindexter

12-07-2013 18:27:30
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to The tractor vet, 12-07-2013 18:11:31  
I am interested, how do I get in touch with you?



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The tractor vet

12-09-2013 16:46:39
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-07-2013 18:27:30  
Call my Cell three three 0 two seven seven one six 0 1



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Klw445

12-06-2013 06:55:26
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-05-2013 11:29:59  
Feel your pain. I bought a tractor this fall, knowing it needed a "little" work. If I'm lucky I'll only have twice its value in it when I'm done.



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J. Schwiebert

12-04-2013 12:55:34
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-04-2013 11:12:40  
Maybe a word of caution. There was a 2150 around here with a pump off a DT 466 I think (maybe a 436). 200 horse no problem, cracked exhaust manifold no problems either. I put 2 pair of manifolds on there before they took the tractor to a dealer in another state.



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Mitch Poindexter

12-04-2013 13:29:31
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-04-2013 12:55:34  
How were they handling the fuel shutoff?



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J. Schwiebert

12-05-2013 08:38:53
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-04-2013 13:29:31  
They used the hydraulic head from the IH and not the rest of he pump. Older IH trucks with the DT466 and a model 100 pump had electric shut off as well on some of them. What did A-C use on the 8000 series with the model 100 pump?



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Dieseltech

12-05-2013 15:20:18
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-05-2013 08:38:53  
AC 8000 series used a spring loaded idle stop capsule like IH tractors did to shutdown with the throttle lever. The electric shutdown cover, solenoid assembly also needs a different fuel control unit, all very expensive. Another choice is the Bowden wire shutdown that the early trucks used if a complete cover assembly can be found. Will bolt right on and work with the control unit in place now.



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mike french

12-04-2013 11:49:37
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 Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question in reply to Mitch Poindexter, 12-04-2013 11:12:40  
Late IH 815 & 915 combines have electric shut off on pump.



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