In my never to be humble opinion,that price is WAY out of line for a 1450. About $3000 too high. I bought this much newer 1365 FWA with a loader for $5850. And to paraphrase John's words a little,that's comparing apples to a lemon. The 1365 is pretty much bulletproof,the 1450 is kinda sketchy at best. A neighbor passed away 2 or 3 years ago,had a 1450 two wheel drive with an Oliver loader,not used much,brought less than $2500 on his auction.