Oliver 1750 fluids, again, Sorry!

I have yet to locate an operators manual. Lake Henry Implement is a long haul for me for AGCO oil's. I was there last week to get filters and a tie rod so I really dont want to make the trip if I dont have to. I changed the oil yesterday. I refilled it with Rotella T 15-40 heavy Duty engine oil. Is this OK?? I am assuming the manual will say to use 30 weight oil or some thing like that. I havent started it yet, waiting for answers. I went to the fleet store to return the " Universal Hydraulic fluid", and checked out there selection. In the same aisle as the gear oils and all the other farm oils, they had a heck of a quantity if "Automatic Transmission fluid" in 2 and 5 gallon containers. I did walk away from it. I will call the AGCO dealor again and ask them what they recommend for the over under, but last week they just said use the universal stuff. Should I just buy a bunch of Dextron I,II,II if I can find it, that seems to be what most of you are telling me. Also, how many quarts will the over under take? She works perfect now, I dont want to mess it up, but it is at the add mark on the dipstick. I am buying a service manual, but it may be some time before I get an operators manual.

Where are you exactly located? If your north of Lake Henry, which I believe you are, Villard Implement is closer to you, and just as good for advice and parts.

Dave, I have been using Type FA in my over/unders and hydra-powers. I get it at NAPA.

O/U holds about 4qt and hydra-power 6qt. WB.

I wouldn't use 15-40 in the over/under. It sould be some type of hydraulic oil that meets Agco's specs. Drain the 15-40 and change the filter if it has the 15-40 in it. You local autoparts store should be able to cross the agco filter. or do an online search for fram, baldwin, or wix. that number should cross if the agco doesn't.

Good luck.

15W-40 will be great for the engine. For the over/under, if it's at the add mark, I think it'll take about 1 pint, or 1/2 a quart. If you wanna keep the ATF in it, you can do that, or drain it out and refill with a Hy-tran fluid.

Won't get it all in the 1st change though, so most will recommend flushing it out (means buying another filter or 2 as well) and then giving it a final refill.

We haven't had any problems draining out wat we can and just refilling it with the oil of our choice.

Donovan from Wisconsin

The 15w-40 is just fine for the engine It's what I use. Just about any universel hyd oil is fine in the HYD system. If you have red fluid in your 3 speed now it's most likly just dexton. I would not be afraid to top it off with dextron III ATF. Been using that in a 1950-T since I can remember. If your changing the 3 speed you can use either Dextron or a universal hyd trans oil just don't mix them. I switched a 2255, 1650 and 1755 from Dextron to hyd trans oil several thousand hrs ago. More recently I run all synthetic oils. Good luck

Well, this is just a tad frustrating. I read through all the post from yesterday and NO ONE suggested using engine oil in it. I hate to be brash, but if you are going to pave your own path and ignore what folks say, don't ask for help.

Let's take a simpler approach. What is in an O/U? Gears, clutch packs, a pump, and a sprag clutch. What are in automatic transmissions and power shift transmissions? Those exact items. What oil is used in power shift and automatic transmissions? ATF or universal tractor fluid. Either of those will contain adequate anti foaming and wear additives for your over under.

So what is the answer? Either ATF OR universal tractor fluid. Early O/U's came with Type A ATF and later ones came with universal tractor fluid from the factory with no significant design changes for the different oil. Either is fine. Take your pick. But not engine oil!!!!!!!!!

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Dave - you're asking so I will tell you my 2 cents worth.

The tractor we are talking about sat for some time right? Clutch was froze up? You are going to work this tractor hard? Plowing?

I would drain and flush the radiator, clean the fins and the screen. I would change every hose and every belt. Drain all the other fluids and replace all the filters. Now you can be at peace that you've done your part.

The manual will be somewhat out of date based on today's oils/fluids as names have changed and they are so much better now than they were back then.

Some of this is personal preference, some is ease of convienance.

Straight 30 wt, 10W30, 15W40 will work for the crankcase oil. Depends on your weather and personal preference/do you use 15W40 in another tractor/makes it handy to keep them both the same as long as oil is Diesel rated.

80W90 for the transmission and final drive. Make sure you get the plug(s) out for total draining. Owners manual will explain.

Universal hydraulic oil that meets or exceeds Oliver type 55 hydraulic fluid for the hydraulics. This designation is marked on the bucket. Most all universal hydraulic fluid I see will say this. You will have to pump out the fluid through the remote. Owners manual will explain.

Type F which is now Dexron was originally used for the over/under. This is red in color.
Later White went to the Hydraulic fluid for the O/U. For ease of convienance it might be easier to use the hydraulic fluid in both the O/U and hydraulics, if not don't fret about it.

Dean Barker worked at the Oliver plant and he recommends the universal hydraulic oil and the new 30-3475425 filter for the over/under.

The O/U was a great feature on the Oliver that you will miss if it is not working. They are quite $$$ to repair.

You should be able to get quality name brand fluids locally but if you feel better about it go with the AGCO brands.

Dave I have lots of oliver manuals and they call for type A atf which has been replaced by mercron/dexron III if you look you will see it every where. Any automatic gm car and truck from about the time they started with automatics till atleast the 90"s and probably now still take that. Along with some fords, chryslers and foreign makes.In the rearend you need 80w90 and for the hydraulics you can do what you want but in MN it gets cold and I wouldn"t use too heavy of hyd fluid atleast not in the winter. Good luck email is open too.
Don

Ok, I may not have stated it clearly in my post. I drained the ENGINE oil and replaced the engine oil with Rotella T 15-40, not the over/ under. I was asking for verification that the 15-40 wont have adverse effects on the motor. I also was asking for clarrification on compatible fluid for the over under.

Ok, I may not have stated it clearly in my post. I drained the ENGINE oil and replaced the engine oil with Rotella T 15-40, not the over/ under. I was asking for verification that the 15-40 wont have adverse effects on the motor. I also was asking for clarrification on compatible fluid for the over under

I am east of St. Cloud about 7 miles.

I have 5 Oliver 1850's and have put tens of thousands of hours on them. I live in western new york climate. AB and djm are right on the money with their advise.

Hey Dave, it's important to remember that keeping your oil clean by changing filters and changing it and keeping the compartments up to the full mark are more important than specific brands.
After many years in the excavating business I found those two things to be most important. A friend in the sewer contracting business I knew used 10W-30 in everything but the final drives, for 40 years! He didn't have any more breakdowns than anyone else and when He starte doing that it was straight 30W.
His operators loved the fact that they only had one jug of oil to carry with them.

Hey Dave, it's important to remember that keeping your oil clean by changing filters and changing it and keeping the compartments up to the full mark are more important than specific brands.
After many years in the excavating business I found those two things to be most important. A friend in the sewer contracting business I knew used 10W-30 in everything but the final drives, for 40 years! He didn't have any more breakdowns than anyone else and when He starte doing that it was straight 30W.
His operators loved the fact that they only had one jug of oil to carry with them.

15w40 is definately what you want for the engine thats all I use and Larry Harsin's recommends it. Says those olivers need plenty of oil pressure.

(quoted from post at 09:12:24 09/10/08) I have 5 Oliver 1850's and have put tens of thousands of hours on them. I live in western new york climate. AB and djm are right on the money with their advise.

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cas not much for computer but have a 1650 trying to change fluids have them drained and 80-90 bought plus hydraulic 32 and a pail of case hy-tran want to know where to put each and how much there is a filler on floor infront of seat the drain for it is the one on the bottom where i use a have inch drive rachet to open but do not know how much to put in because i cant find a bung hole for fluid level hope u understand what i am saying ty tom