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Cockshutt H-P

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Chris VdV

04-23-2011 09:20:22
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How rare is a 28-44 Cockshutt Hart Parr? Has Cockshutt Hart Parr Cast in Rad Top and Cockshutt serial tag.

I never saw one before.




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J. Schwiebert

04-24-2011 17:06:24
209.173.169.137



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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
For Chris & John Harmon: I double checked my reference material. Cockshutt signed the agreement to sell the Oliver line of Tractors in December of 1935. So in simple terms an early 18-28 or 28 -44 Cockshutt tractor wouls be a 1936 model and then the 37 model till those two models were superceeded.



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John Harmon.

04-25-2011 06:33:01
174.26.200.36



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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to J. Schwiebert, 04-24-2011 17:06:24  
John,You are correct that Oliver and Cockshutt signed a marketing agreement in 1935 but all the info available for my ascersions show that Cockshutt and " Hart Parr" had a much earlier agreement begining around 1928, but records only exist to show production of the Cockshutt Hart Parr 18-28 and 28-44 beginning in 1930 up to 1937. I've never heard of the Communist Russsian deal but maybe the increased count of 2585 Cockshutt/Hart Parr 28-44 Machines produced in 1931-1932 would be explained by this sale. Other wise according to serial numbers,Cockshutt/Hart Parr 28-44 production was never greater than 500 units produced in any one year except for 1936 and 1937. As you said before,the Depression years had a great impact on Hart Parr production as it did all Manufacturing in the world. Your opinion, do you think that a portion of that Russian order was filled with Cockshutt/Hart Parr 18-28 machines? Or was the Russian order filled with Hart Parr machines with Cockshutt having nothing to do with it? JH

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J. Schwiebert

04-25-2011 15:17:30
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to John Harmon., 04-25-2011 06:33:01  
John: How do I contact you? If need be send me a PM on the HPOCA site. I would love to discuss this with you. J.



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Chris VdV

04-24-2011 08:31:09
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
Thanks John. That makes it a late one - 1937.



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Chris VdV

04-24-2011 08:18:42
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
Serial number looks like 508022...



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J. Schwiebert

04-24-2011 03:10:57
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
Chris: Did you get the serial number of the tractor? Remember a lot of 28-44 tractors were sent to Russia. Also the arrangement with Oliver/Hart-Parr did not start in 1930. as was mentioned below.



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John Harmon.

04-24-2011 06:14:14
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to J. Schwiebert, 04-24-2011 03:10:57  
According to the Oliver built Cockshutt/Hart Parr tractor production date and serial number page posted by the Cockshutt Shed Web site, at the Charles City Plant, production of the 18-28 serial #800 001 Cockshutt/Hart Parr and the 28-44 serial #500 001 Cockshutt/Hart Parr began in 1930 and continued until 1937 on both model tractors..

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J. Schwiebert

04-24-2011 09:57:32
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to John Harmon., 04-24-2011 06:14:14  
O. K. Production of the 28-44 started in the summer of 1930. Oliver had just received an order from Russia for 5000 of the 28-44 tractors so most of the early production all went to Russia. I don't have time to look today but I think somewhere I have proof that sales of Oliver built tractors to Cockshutt started in 1932. If Chris does a little math he will find that although the tractor he is looking at is a late 28-44 there probably were less than 1000 of them built as a Cockshutt. Also remember the depression was here and the plant like a few others was closed for some time. They also built a few real Hart Parrs (cross motor models)durring the depression to get rid of some parts inventory.

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Gordey

04-23-2011 17:25:00
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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
It depends on your area, there not common but not a highly sought after machine.



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John Harmon.

04-23-2011 17:12:23
174.26.209.163



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 Re: Cockshutt H-P in reply to Chris VdV, 04-23-2011 09:20:22  
Your tractor dates back to at least 1930 and is correct. JH



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