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Rare Dual Remote Hydraulics on a Jubilee picture

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Dennisinponca

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Here is a picture of the dual hydraulics remote on my Jubilee. I removed the seat to show the item better. These are fairly rare on the 53 / 54. The Ford Aux. plate changed in 55 so the newer remotes do not fit the NAA or earlier series.
As you can see, it sits just above and forward of the draft control, it replaces the aux. cover.
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unless I'm missing a couple hoses and a lever it looks like a single dual acting remote.. not a dual remote.

soundguy
 
Dennis:

I agree with Soundguy. The valve pictured is a single remote valve. A dual remote valve would have four hoses and two control handles for operating two seperate cylinders.

That said, your NAA compatible remote valve is rather uncommon.

Dean
 
Darn! I thought I could get through the day without learning anything or making a mistake. My error. Thanks for the correction.

Dennis
 
real different thant he 2 diverters and ingle remote I've seen on ebay in the last few monhts.

i wonder if anyone is repoping them??. back in 2001 I knew a guy in tallahassee with a NAA and he told me of a place that was making them ( good money too.. ).. but he was in poor health and I missed him at the next show and have lost touch with him

soundguy
 
Here"s a pic. of my remotevalve set -up on my NAA.
It"s a single action remote,just a different valve location.
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One more Picture at a different angle. These are a little rare but you can purchase one if you look hard at scrap yards.
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Ya, you are right, it is a double acting remote. Double acting single remote. I typed too fast. your 740 must be doing great. Gotta love those narrow front ends for mowing. A road grader next? That'll be interesting.
 
I DO love the 740 in general.. and it even made the 3000 diesel 8spd/live pto move out of the way...

neither are PS..but the NF steers soooo easy and she turns darn sharp.

soundguy
 
LeoinMi,

Very pretty paint job.

Is there a maker / Mfg. stamp on your remote? I didn't see it in the parts manual or the I&T Shop Service Manual. Mine is in both and I read somewhere that Ford bought out the manufacturer when they first came out with it and made it an option.

Another option was a "Selec-Trol" remote. It is in my I&T manual. It allows a NAA to use the hydraulic touch control lever to route hydraulics to a one way remote cyclinder(also in the manual). I don't see the Select-Trol in the parts manual but I may have missed it. Another person on a different forum has a Selec-Trol on his Jubilee and he said you just push a plunger to shift the operation from regular hydraulics to the forward hydraulics but when you do, you lose control of the rear (the arms lock in place if there is no bleed down).
 
If you aren't using it for something else buy or build a hydraulic top link for your tractor.
You'll never go back to using a turnbuckle type top link.

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Sorry for the late reply. I"ve been on vacation and didn"t get back to the computer until now. anyway to answer your question,..There is a number stamped into the base of the selector valve but no manufacturer I.D. anywhere that I can see. another guy on this forum awhile back posted a picture of his which was identical to mine. I haven"t used my valve as of yet,.. but I have tried it to check it for leaks. My three point works while I use it,..so I guess this set up is a little different than yours. Nice idea about the hydraulic top link. ( Here"s a couple more pics).
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(quoted from post at 19:14:23 06/11/10) Sorry for the late reply. I"ve been on vacation and didn"t get back to the computer until now. anyway to answer your question,..There is a number stamped into the base of the selector valve but no manufacturer I.D. anywhere that I can see. another guy on this forum awhile back posted a picture of his which was identical to mine. I haven"t used my valve as of yet,.. but I have tried it to check it for leaks. My three point works while I use it,..so I guess this set up is a little different than yours. Nice idea about the hydraulic top link. ( Here"s a couple more pics).
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As I understand it the Selectrol valve is essentially a selector valve that redirects the 3pt control valve output to a remote circuit effectively disabling the 3pt lift cylinder. Your valve is an open center valve installed ahead of the 3pt control valve. When you operate it the oil flow is temprarily directed to the remote circuit but when it is in the neutral position the oil flow continues straight through to the 3pt control valve. Since your valve is a DA unit I suspect the waste oil from the remote cylinder is passed through to the 3pt valve as well.

IMO both units are unduly complicated special purpose devices with minimal versatility. A generic open center valve (preferably with power beyond option) installed in the pressure line from the pump is simpler, more versatile, commonly available, and far less expensive.

TOH
 
You are correct about that Hokie. The valve is limited at best. But it does add a little something to the tractor where you could modify the valve if you wanted to do more. Considering the H.P. of an NAA and the vane hydraulic pump,..I doubt I could do a whole lot with an advanced valve except maybe add down pressure to a F.E.L. or something on that order. I think I need a bigger tractor,..hmmmm,...wonder if the wife would allow that one anytime soon ? (NO way !!)
 
TOH,

Do you have a favorite model?

I agree, there are a lot better tractors and better remote options. Some of us have some high dollar tractors with a lot of bling yet for some whacky reason, we enjoy mowing and working with the old stuff.

The point is, we are sharing pictures and comments on some original and very early options for a 53 / 54 NAA.

Why even have an old tractor? Why have three? Four? Eleven? I guess it is some sort of pride of ownership.

I guess you have to be addicted to a certain model to understand the excitement over some old option for it.

Have you ever seen a "live pto" on a 53 Ford Jubilee? I will post some pictures of one some day and I hope there will be a lot of discussion over it.

Dennis
 
You are right again Hokie. I do like my NAA and enjoy old tractors. They are fun to work on and pride of ownership counts for something. As far as a live p.t.o. on a Jubilee,..nope,..never saw one,.only on the post on YT. I only know they are rare and are an option not many Jubilees had. I'm not even sure if they are a true "live" p.t.o. or if they work as a secondary clutch where you push the clutch in part way for the tranny and all the way for the p.t.o. to engage and dis-engage. They sound neat though and I do wish I had Live p.t.o.,.. but I assume it is a costly $$$ add-on.
 
(quoted from post at 20:27:10 06/11/10) You are correct about that Hokie. The valve is limited at best. But it does add a little something to the tractor where you could modify the valve if you wanted to do more. Considering the H.P. of an NAA and the vane hydraulic pump,..I doubt I could do a whole lot with an advanced valve except maybe add down pressure to a F.E.L. or something on that order. I think I need a bigger tractor,..hmmmm,...wonder if the wife would allow that one anytime soon ? (NO way !!)
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At 4+ GPM the pump produces enough volume for any number of applications and multiple spools adds additional control functionality at any volume. Down pressure on a FEL is simply a DA lift cylinder and a valve with a DA spool like your OEM unit. A FEL with a hydraulic rather than trip bucket however requires a two spool valve - down pressure or not.

As for the OEM vane/piston pump - that can be upgraded "in situ" as well for a lot less than the price of a new tractor - in fact for less than the cost of that OEM valve. Now if your wife can be cajoled into something like that and it interests you give me a call for some details :lol:

TOH
301.655.0631
[email protected]
 
I"ll have to give that some serious thought. Thanks for the advice. A piston pump would be nice with some options for "add-on"s". I"ll give you a call when I get the hydraulics fixed. They need some adjusting and a new cam follower pin. Draft position doesn"t work as it should right now.
 
(quoted from post at 08:58:25 06/12/10) I"ll have to give that some serious thought. Thanks for the advice. A piston pump would be nice with some options for "add-on"s". I"ll give you a call when I get the hydraulics fixed. They need some adjusting and a new cam follower pin. Draft position doesn"t work as it should right now.
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I'm not talking about replacing the original vane pump with a later Ford piston pump - rather a modern gear pump. Obviously not something the originality police are going to find attractive. While I appreciate the desire some have for originality there is a limit to the functionality you can extract from the 1950's design.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 21:09:59 06/11/10) TOH,

Do you have a favorite model?

I agree, there are a lot better tractors and better remote options. Some of us have some high dollar tractors with a lot of bling yet for some whacky reason, we enjoy mowing and working with the old stuff.

The point is, we are sharing pictures and comments on some original and very early options for a 53 / 54 NAA.

Why even have an old tractor? Why have three? Four? Eleven? I guess it is some sort of pride of ownership.

I guess you have to be addicted to a certain model to understand the excitement over some old option for it.

Have you ever seen a "live pto" on a 53 Ford Jubilee? I will post some pictures of one some day and I hope there will be a lot of discussion over it.

Dennis
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Sure I understand collectors and their interest in originality - especially rare and expensive OEM options. But some folks have these tractors because they can't afford a more modern machine and simply want to upgrade them to get a little more functionality in the most cost effective manner possible. Look at the popularity of the Zane Thang - a really useful and highly non-original idea.

Personally I have no interest in owning a dozen old tractors - or even new ones. I have a 9N and an 8N purely out of nostalgia - they remind me of my youth and a wonderful family that farmed with an 8N and Jubilee. Prior to the purchase of a new 8N in 1951 they farmed with a team of horses and if I could lay hands on the original harness I'd have it too. The old dinner bell that hung on a fence post by the old farmhouse is now proudly mounted in front of my new home.

But for real work I have a newer tractor and I indulge my creative juices building gadgets that I think improve the older machines. That's the fun part for me - I enjoy designing and building gadgets. I mow, plow snow, landscape, spray, etc. with one of my newer machines - I have no desire to spend a second more than necessary in the seat of any tractor - an attitude I probably inherited from my father and grandfather. :shock:

I have seen the live PTO option for the NAA and it's a clever add-on that Dearborn created to address that shortcoming in the original design. Not really a LPTO as much as a secondary clutch in the final drive. Just because Dearborn is gone doesn't mean innovation has to end. If I could figure out a good way to build an affordable LPTO add-on I would.

TOH
 
A gear pump would be nice. I imagine the plumbing has to be re-done to a certain extent. Are there kits to go with the gear pump or do you just buy the parts seperately and cut to length ?
Might have to look into that one.
 
TOH,

I visited your web site and I am impressed with it and your products.

I see your point towards improving the N series in a cost efficient way and your live hydraulics product(s) appear to do that.

What would be nice is if you can replace the current hydraulic pump on the NAA and newer tractors with one that is not prone to sucking air. Had the engineers just put the suction in the back vice the front, there would not be a problem with the air being sucked in by the shaft. Of course, there would be a pressure problem on the shaft.

I am thinking a nice replacement pump would have an easily replaced teflon diapharm in the suction area to exclude air coming in at the shaft. Pretty much on the lines of the old fuel pumps with a rubber diaphram but use teflon type material.

The current piston pumps have a wobble shaft that can be used to push a diaphram if a diaphram were to be used instead of the piston assembly. The check valves on a diaphram pump would be a lot simplier than the valves used in the current piston pump.

Dennis
 
(quoted from post at 15:14:41 06/12/10) A gear pump would be nice. I imagine the plumbing has to be re-done to a certain extent. Are there kits to go with the gear pump or do you just buy the parts seperately and cut to length ?
Might have to look into that one.
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I have already designed a conversion and will make the kits myself. OEM plumbing gets replaced with generic hydraulic hose and custom made port adapters. Generic gear pump mounts to the same camshaft drive housing used for the piston pumps - a custom made replacement for the wobble shaft drives it off the OEM camshaft gear. Basically you throw away the wobble shaft and OEM pump and replace it with an off the shelf gear pump. An adpater plate is used to mate the SAE pump mounting flange to the drive housing. Prototyping is pretty much done (click thumbs below for full size images) - OEM setup shown next to conversion. Just need a customer with an NAA to do the field testing which is why I'm interested in this thread....

TOH

PS - will work for hundred series tractors as well - same pump conversion just much shorter hoses and a port adapter to replace the OEM hydraulic manifold.

 
(quoted from post at 16:38:26 06/12/10)
(quoted from post at 15:14:41 06/12/10) A gear pump would be nice. I imagine the plumbing has to be re-done to a certain extent. Are there kits to go with the gear pump or do you just buy the parts seperately and cut to length ?
Might have to look into that one.
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I designed the conversion and will make them myself. OEM plumbing gets replaced with generic hydraulic hose and custom made port adapters. Generic gear pump mounts to the same camshaft drive housing used for the piston pumps - a custom made replacement for the wobble shaft drives it off the OEM camshaft gear. Basically you throw away the wobble shaft and OEM pump and replace it with an off the shelf gear pump. An adpater plate is used to mate the SAE pump mounting flange to the drive housing. Prototyping is pretty much done (click thumbs below for full size images) - OEM setup shown next to conversion. Just need a customer with an NAA to do the field testing which is why I'm interested in this thread....

TOH

PS - will work for hundred series tractors as well - same pump conversion just different port adapters to replace the OEM hydraulic manifold.

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What the heck goes with this BB software? This post displayed fine when I first made it - now the links/images are munged.....

TOH
 
TOH,

I am always interested in new items and prototypes and would be glad to test one on a Jubilee. I have access to a Ford 871 also and other tractors that belong to friends.

I am also an Engineer. I have extensive startup and testing experience on just about every phase of physics, from submarines to airplane engines. I can pretty much understand the tech language, perform the math, develop a test module and help get you any data you need in the proper units and confidence.

This is starting to sound like a resume. I am retired and have no interest in work, just hobby stuff to piddle with.

If you want, give me a call.

I may be interested in purchasing a prototype so I can have one of the first.

[email protected]
580-761-5646
 
(quoted from post at 21:40:41 06/12/10) TOH,

I am always interested in new items and prototypes and would be glad to test one on a Jubilee. I have access to a Ford 871 also and other tractors that belong to friends.

I am also an Engineer. I have extensive startup and testing experience on just about every phase of physics, from submarines to airplane engines. I can pretty much understand the tech language, perform the math, develop a test module and help get you any data you need in the proper units and confidence.

This is starting to sound like a resume. I am retired and have no interest in work, just hobby stuff to piddle with.

If you want, give me a call.

I may be interested in purchasing a prototype so I can have one of the first.

[email protected]
580-761-5646
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Super - my field test arrangements are absolutely risk free and require no cash outlay. Got to run - goung to get some quality seat time in an EZ-GO this morning followed by fluid replenishment :shock: Will give you a call this evening.

TOH
 
Yep I will throw my resume in the pot right after I figure out what the TOH means on a lot of the emails that come across my "Desk" OK Yes I am embarassed to ask. What is the reason for the TOH . CMON tell me, I won t tell anyone else. I emailed my brain trust yesterday (I think it was yesterday) to find out if it messed up the timing if I took the front mount dist off to clean and strip the crud behind it and as usual HE straightened me out on that. God I hope he never gets fed up with me. (At least until I get thru with these two 8ns and they are sitttung out there running like Singers). No I will hang with him as long as he can stand it. He is much more brainy than me. He told me right up front what books to get and boy they are really worth the money. And not very much at that.
I must go out and look inside that gas tank leaning so quietly against the wall and try to see how much rust is in there and get to cleaning it out if needed. That is if I can find someone who has a good cleanout procedure for this. Might have to cut the bottom off and cleanand treat it and then reweld it back on ya tink?? Heck, I don t even know what TIG means and I am talking about welding. But there is always hope. I learned how to weld in the Navybut that was in the mid fifties and it was pushing puddles around with a oxyacet. rig and that is not in the picture these days it seems. Hey guys I found the two shifter boot part numbers if anyone is interested. The one for the 9n/2n is 520858m1 and the one for the 8n is c5nn7277c The 9/2ns are 7.99 and 8n is 3.99 at Tractor parts express I tinkit was NO it was from Ncomplete. Might be the reason some are getting one that is small or something. That s nuff for now I spect,don t you? Devious
 
(quoted from post at 10:21:54 06/13/10) Yep I will throw my resume in the pot right after I figure out what the TOH means on a lot of the emails that come across my "Desk" OK Yes I am embarassed to ask. What is the reason for the TOH . CMON tell me, I won t tell anyone else. I emailed my brain trust yesterday (I think it was yesterday) to find out if it messed up the timing if I took the front mount dist off to clean and strip the crud behind it and as usual HE straightened me out on that. God I hope he never gets fed up with me. (At least until I get thru with these two 8ns and they are sitttung out there running like Singers). No I will hang with him as long as he can stand it. He is much more brainy than me. He told me right up front what books to get and boy they are really worth the money. And not very much at that.
I must go out and look inside that gas tank leaning so quietly against the wall and try to see how much rust is in there and get to cleaning it out if needed. That is if I can find someone who has a good cleanout procedure for this. Might have to cut the bottom off and cleanand treat it and then reweld it back on ya tink?? Heck, I don t even know what TIG means and I am talking about welding. But there is always hope. I learned how to weld in the Navybut that was in the mid fifties and it was pushing puddles around with a oxyacet. rig and that is not in the picture these days it seems. Hey guys I found the two shifter boot part numbers if anyone is interested. The one for the 9n/2n is 520858m1 and the one for the 8n is c5nn7277c The 9/2ns are 7.99 and 8n is 3.99 at Tractor parts express I tinkit was NO it was from Ncomplete. Might be the reason some are getting one that is small or something. That s nuff for now I spect,don t you? Devious
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Quite simple:

TOH = The Old Hokie

Chosen because:

1) One of my most admired participants in this and other "old tractor" related forums was John Bower who posted ast tOTG - the Old Tractor Guy - now deceased.

2) I am a class of 1973 graduate of VPI (aka VaTech). I believe 1973 qualifies me for the "Old' part. Given that the "Hokie" part should be self explanatiory - if not Google is your friend....

TOH

PS> TOOH =The Other Old Hokie - a woman with whom I have been sleeping for nearly 40 years....
 
While aux valves seam to b the topic does anyone have any info on this'n,,, it came off a 600... I keep pushing it to the side,,, either going to use it are sale it dunno... BTW its just sit'n on top of the adapter plate studs...

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I'M LOOKING FOR THE VALVE BODY THAT BOLTS TO THE TOP OF THE TRANSMISSION AND APPEARENTLY ONLY FITS THE JUBILEE, AND ALLOWS A SECONDARY HYDRAULIC SYSTEM, DALE
(quoted from post at 03:02:53 06/13/10)
(quoted from post at 21:40:41 06/12/10) TOH,

I am always interested in new items and prototypes and would be glad to test one on a Jubilee. I have access to a Ford 871 also and other tractors that belong to friends.

I am also an Engineer. I have extensive startup and testing experience on just about every phase of physics, from submarines to airplane engines. I can pretty much understand the tech language, perform the math, develop a test module and help get you any data you need in the proper units and confidence.

This is starting to sound like a resume. I am retired and have no interest in work, just hobby stuff to piddle with.

If you want, give me a call.

I may be interested in purchasing a prototype so I can have one of the first.

[email protected]
580-761-5646
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Super - my field test arrangements are absolutely risk free and require no cash outlay. Got to run - goung to get some quality seat time in an EZ-GO this morning followed by fluid replenishment :shock: Will give you a call this evening.

TOH
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So does this have two way pressure? As in, up and down pressure? Also, where'd you get the seat bracket that you have? Thinking about installing one on our Jubilee.

Thanks
 
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