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Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics

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ROD

03-21-2000 04:44:11
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I need some information on a 8n with live power and hydraulics. We have the tractor restored and the unit works but we would like to know who built it, when it was built, where it was built, and any information any one may have. thanks Rod




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Jim

03-21-2000 16:47:15
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
The PTO shaft drives the pump for both 2,9 and 8Ns. If the hydraulics go up with the clutch in and the shaft not turning then you have something liken to perpetual motion! It is possible but not likely tht someone made a clutch pack like the NAAs had but I for one would have to see it. Pull the hand hole cover off and look in there if you can still get power out of the PTO shaft with the tractor in gear and clutch down.

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Rod

03-21-2000 17:28:16
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 Re: Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to Jim, 03-21-2000 16:47:15  
Hi this is ROD I posted the original ad this unit is similiar to the NAA except it is manually applied.



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David

03-21-2000 18:23:34
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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to Rod, 03-21-2000 17:28:16  
So for those of us who are NAA ignorant; the live hydro/pto works only with the clutch out? Now I am really confused. How exactly does this make it live? Is this like a 2-stage clutch? Or does your tractor use some other method. (front mt pump for hydro power) Can/would you share this? Any identifying marks or history of the tractor?



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Jim

03-22-2000 03:22:34
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to David, 03-21-2000 18:23:34  
The NAA unit is a clutch pack on the PTO shaft. It was not exactly a "live" pto but would release or neutral the shaft from the transmission when the clutch was depressed. It operated with oil pressure from a small remote mtd hyd pump located at the rear of the engine mtd main hyd pump. On a NAA the hyd system is truly "live" because it drives from the side of the engine and not thru the trans PTO shaft as on a 9,2 or 8N

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Dave Mischler

03-22-2000 03:26:19
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to Jim, 03-22-2000 03:22:34  
To get live PTO the clutch pack should be on the transmission output shaft. This would uncouple the rear end from the transmission and engine while allowing the PTO (and hydraulic pump) to keep turning. That does meet the definition of live PTO.



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ROD

03-21-2000 16:14:40
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
Hi this is Rod I posted the ad for live power but I forgot to mention one thing I have been working on ford 8and 9n's for nearly 20 years so I am pretty sure of what I have. Also in 20 years of working on them this is the first and only unit I have seen. Thanks ROD



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Dave Mischler

03-21-2000 16:29:49
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 Re: Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 16:14:40  
Sorry about that, Rod. I have found that lots of people in my area call any Ford tractor painted red and gray an 8N, no matter what it really is. I guess you have something pretty unusual.

How does it work? Is it like T.S. Dye suggested (manually actuated clutch between the transmission output and rear end)?



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T.S. Dye

03-21-2000 11:21:18
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
Greetings, The live power clutch I have seen used on the 8N consisted of a manually operated disconnect clutch installed between the main trans. and the rearend whitch stopped the forward travel while leaving the foot clutch engaged thus giving live PTO and hydraulics. I thought that it was produced by sherman but later learned that it may have been M&W that manufactured it. If you have one of these hang onto it or sell it to me.

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David

03-21-2000 10:15:31
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
Glad to see you made it here. Do you have any pictures of this tractor and/or the hydraulics? I am sure most of us would love to check this out. Maybe we could even get our resident machinist Zane to replicate some of the hardware to convert others to this as well. (Well we can hope and dream anyway)Didnt someone mention something about a kit to convert to live hyd. made by Sherman or hupp, a few weeks back?

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Ed Gooding (VA)

03-21-2000 09:29:26
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
Hi Rod: click on the link below to visit John Smith's very nice Ford N-tractor site. You'll get some good info on how to identify your tractor. If it is an 8N, changes are it does NOT have live PTO or hydraulics, unless they were added on by a previous owner somehow.

Hope this helps.................Ed
1952 8N475798

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Dave Mischler

03-21-2000 07:47:44
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 Re: Ford 8n with live power and hydraulics in reply to ROD, 03-21-2000 04:44:11  
Are you sure it is really an 8N? Check out the link for info on Ford tractors after 1952.



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