703 Front Loader Bracket For 8N

FlatFenders · Apr 11, 2016

I just picked up a 703 Loader off a 1958 Ford 621. I was told it would work on my 8n. Sadly, my 8n does not have the bracket on the front that the loader attaches to. The mounting on the 623 looked like it was part of the motor/motor mount? Is there a premade bracket for this application or will I have to build it myself?

markct · Apr 11, 2016

Hmm, any pictures of what it mounts to on the loader, I have a few different brackets on parts tractors here but don't know what model loader they went with

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

I'll get some pictures of the loader tomorrow. I think it was a cast bracket. It was maybe about 14" square. There were 3 holes in the front, and two in the back. I'm not certain but I think it was mounted to the engine block? The center bolt was a fine thread that went into a taped hole, but the other four were nuts and bolts. The tractor it came off of is 2 hours away. Sure with I had taken pictures of it. I imagine the bracket for an 8N, if there is one, would be different??
Thanks for the reply.

Ultradog MN · Apr 12, 2016

I'm pretty sure the 703 was built for the Hundreds so I doubt you'll find that front bracket for an N. Wouldn't be hard to build tho.
Are you sure you want to mount that on your tractor?
It's pretty heavy in and of itself. With the extra 1K lbs of rear ballast it will require to make it functional it will make a dreadnaught out of your nimble N. It is also capable of lifting more than your tractor will carry.
Just thinking out loud...

Kirk-NJ · Apr 12, 2016

Here is the bracket for the 703. The 2 rods bolt up the rear drop holes on the hundred/naa axle carrier which the 8n does not have. If it were me and the guy told me it was a bolt and go on my 8n I would want my money back or if I wanted to keep it and fab up a bracket maybe a discount. I just sold these brackets,front and rear off, an 860 so you could sell the bracket and fab up one for your 8n and keep them in case you decide the loader is not right for the tractor and are going to resale it. If the unit was bought complete with the front piece that bolts to the front crank shaft pulley then that may not work on your 8n.

Kirk

wallytoo · Apr 12, 2016

i won't pretend to know what the 703 came on, nor what it's lift capacity is, but i have one mounted on my 8n. i don't try to max fill the bucket (except for snow).

may not work well for someone who also pulls implements frequently, but i don't. fact is, i bought it to serve as a once-in-a-while snow mover and manure mover, and for that purpose, it works great.

wally

TheOldHokie · Apr 12, 2016

(quoted from post at 07:22:11 04/12/16) Here is the bracket for the 703. The 2 rods bolt up the rear drop holes on the hundred/naa axle carrier which the 8n does not have. If it were me and the guy told me it was a bolt and go on my 8n I would want my money back or if I wanted to keep it and fab up a bracket maybe a discount. I just sold these brackets,front and rear off, an 860 so you could sell the bracket and fab up one for your 8n and keep them in case you decide the loader is not right for the tractor and are going to resale it. If the unit was bought complete with the front piece that bolts to the front crank shaft pulley then that may not work on your 8n.

Kirk

I have always wondered how well that mounting scheme held up to the rigor of loader work. Based on the bends in that one not so well I guess ;-)

I have sold a couple of the Dearborn/Wagner style hangers to folks who wanted to hang a 703 on an 8N. They used them as a starting point for fabricating the rest of a 703 hanger.

TOH

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

It is complete, except for this bracket. I have the rear axle brackets that mounted to the same bolts holding the fenders on the 621.

wallytoo · Apr 12, 2016

i took some pictures of the front axle mount. similar to what kirk posted. mine does not have the long bolts, though.

you can see the minor modification in my sheetmetal - the notches at the hood pivot, and the removed grille.

the mount/bracket itself doesn't appear bent to me, but i'm sure it could be.

wally

wallytoo · Apr 12, 2016

I have always wondered how well that mounting scheme held up to the rigor of loader work. Based on the bends in that one not so well I guess ;-)

i'm not sure that kirk's bracket is bent. the pedestal isn't tight, but only because it isn't installed. the ears, which have the bolster tubes, might have been modified with bends to clear the hood/hinge sheetmetal, since they match.

there isn't any reason why using the loader should bend those ears back - their purpose is to support the loader frame, not to provide counterforce to a "pushing" load. the rear axle attachment is the "pushing" counter. the front floats.

wally

TheOldHokie · Apr 12, 2016

(quoted from post at 12:45:40 04/12/16)

I have always wondered how well that mounting scheme held up to the rigor of loader work. Based on the bends in that one not so well I guess ;-)

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i'm not sure that kirk's bracket is bent. the pedestal isn't tight, but only because it isn't installed. the ears, which have the bolster tubes, might have been modified with bends to clear the hood/hinge sheetmetal, since they match.

there isn't any reason why using the loader should bend those ears back - their purpose is to support the loader frame, not to provide counterforce to a "pushing" load. the rear axle attachment is the "pushing" counter. the front floats.

wally

The ends of Kirk's hanger are clearly bent - either on purpose in order to clear the sheetmetal or by loader forces. Despite the fact the frame of the loader is anchored to the rear axle the front of the loader still puts plenty of backwards/up/down/twisting force on the hanger attaching points.

The double ended "bolts" in Kirk's picture are actually struts meant to help stiffen the hanger against such impacts. And I assume that is also the purpose of the sockets that were added to the axle support that receives them. Ford engineering was slowly coming to grips with the fact that lots of customers wanted a heavy duty front loader attachment for their tractors and that meant the front end had to be (re)designed to provide a integrated, well thought out, and structurally solid attaching point. A half-a$$ed piece of 1/4" plate bolted to the front as an afterthought wasn't getting the job done.

TOH

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

Here are a few pictures of the existing bracket on the loader.

wallytoo · Apr 12, 2016

(quoted from post at 11:46:25 04/12/16) Here are a few pictures of the existing bracket on the loader.

different or modified bracket/mount. as it is right now, i believe you would need to do a fair amount of modification to the mount structure to get it to fit an 8n.

kirk's is almost identical to mine, except for the bent ends (which may or may not have been intentional). it fit the 8n with minor notching of the sheetmetal and removal of the grille.

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

Looks like this is the bracket I would need. I am missing the holes in the mount under the radiator (indicated with in the picture with the yellow circle and arrows) But could drill them myself. Do you know where I can get a bracket like this? I wasn't sure if someone here still had one.

TheOldHokie · Apr 12, 2016

(quoted from post at 14:46:25 04/12/16) Here are a few pictures of the existing bracket on the loader.

That's cute :roll: I have looked at lots of the Ford parts manuals and I have never seen anything like that. I am guessing it's home brew but that said someone was using their noodle and I like it a lot. It appears to be designed to bolt directly to the ears on the rear as well as the front of the axle support on the Hundred series. That four point "cradle" arrangement is very similar to what Ford started doing with the big a$$ cast front end on the later Thousand series and it's a lot more rigid than the OEM hanger Kirk had pictured. It would be worth "someone's" time to try and replicate that on an 8N. I have in the past considered using the front of the 8N oil pan as a mounting point or as an anchor for the struts but it never occurred to me to use a box frame structure like that. I am making a mental note of this "cradle" and saving your pictures for future reference. Thanks for sharing ;-)

TOH

TheOldHokie · Apr 12, 2016

(quoted from post at 15:47:41 04/12/16) Looks like this is the bracket I would need. I am missing the holes in the mount under the radiator (indicated with in the picture with the yellow circle and arrows) But could drill them myself. Do you know where I can get a bracket like this? I wasn't sure if someone here still had one.

Ford went through two iterations of front hangers for the N-series. The triangular version with axle pin was used on the 9N/2N and is iffy at best on those tractors. The flat plate with "ears" was used on the 8N and had three attaching points - the axle retaining bolt and the two dogleg bolts on the ends of the radiator support. I was making both for a while but stopped making the flat one after I learned that it put so much stress on the radiator support spot welds that it would break them and pull the support loose from the center section. I now only make the triangular one and recommend it for use on the 8N over the OEM version.

TOH

Kirk-NJ · Apr 12, 2016

Yes you would have to drill the holes to mount those bolts. I just sold this one. You can put a want ad in the ad section on this site and the other N tractor site.

Kirk

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

Thanks for the reply.

I am fairly new to this board so will have to figure out how to do a want ad. What is the "proper name" for this bracket? Mind if I ask what someone paid for yours?

FlatFenders · Apr 12, 2016

If you still make everything I need please email me with more information. The picture above does not have a
pump mount or the attachment to the lift itself?

Kirk-NJ · Apr 13, 2016

On your left under marketplace click on either classified ads or photo ads.
For the other tractor site click on classic view up above and than on this post, below on right hit send email and send me an email so I can send you the other site.
I don't have the part number for it. I would call it the front 703 loader bracket. That should be good.
I sold the front and rear brackets for $60 plus shipping. I tend to sell stuff at a reasonable price. I would also check on ebay.

Good luck with your search. kirk

Kirk-NJ · Apr 13, 2016

I think I might have a similar bracket. I will have to check out in the barn today. i don't remember if it had anything attached to it.

Kirk

FlatFenders · Apr 13, 2016

Thank you.

FlatFenders · Aug 25, 2016

I am still looking for this bracket and am posting again in case someone new has joined the forum.

NoNewParts · Sep 26, 2016

(quoted from post at 16:50:56 04/12/16)

(quoted from post at 14:46:25 04/12/16) Here are a few pictures of the existing bracket on the loader.

Click to expand...

That's cute :roll: I have looked at lots of the Ford parts manuals and I have never seen anything like that. I am guessing it's home brew but that said someone was using their noodle and I like it a lot. It appears to be designed to bolt directly to the ears on the rear as well as the front of the axle support on the Hundred series. That four point "cradle" arrangement is very similar to what Ford started doing with the big a$$ cast front end on the later Thousand series and it's a lot more rigid than the OEM hanger Kirk had pictured. It would be worth "someone's" time to try and replicate that on an 8N. I have in the past considered using the front of the 8N oil pan as a mounting point or as an anchor for the struts but it never occurred to me to use a box frame structure like that. I am making a mental note of this "cradle" and saving your pictures for future reference. Thanks for sharing ;-)

TOH

TOH, just some info...
I have a 59 641 that the PO bought new, and had the Ford 19-97 loader and pie weights put on before or soon after delivery. (by the factory or dealer, I don't know)
It has the same front bracket as pictured.(same red color as the loader..which is slightly different that the orange tint of the 641)
Cradle has the hex head center pin.
Also, the 2 drilled mounting holes on either side of the center pin are heavily reinforced. On the inside of the cradle, round steel plates, bout 1/4 thick welded in. Looks factory.
Tractor has original paint, engine cradle support is red oxide colored. (same shade as other replacement parts on the tractor...looks like all repairs were done at the dealer with OEM parts)

FlatFenders.....
If you decide to sell that front bracket, I would be interested.
nonewparts at gmail dot com

paul25g · Jun 11, 2019

Old Hokie,

I saw that you used to make mounting brackets for the Ford 703 loader....are you still doing this? Thanks!

Paul

TheOldHokie · Jun 11, 2019

(quoted from post at 10:48:24 06/11/19)
Old Hokie,

I saw that you used to make mounting brackets for the Ford 703 loader....are you still doing this? Thanks!

Paul

Never made brackets for the 703. The brackete I make were for the earlier Wagner/Dearborn loaders but can be easily adapted to the 703 with a little extra work.

TOH

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