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I was exploring different sites for one of JMORs excellent wiring diagrams and
came across a Jinma forum? I didnt know there was such a tractor . Must say I
was surprised that anyone would buy a tractor from china much more surprised
someone would admit to it. After reading a good number of their posts looks
like there are some real unhappy buyers of these little tractors.
 
I owned a re-branded one for a short period of time.
25HP deisel, 4x4, joystick controlled front end loader,
wheel weights, canopy, power steering, etc.

Ran good, worked good. Not comfortable to get on and off of.
I traded an oil burning 8N for it because the owner couldn't fix it.
Kept getting antifreeze in the oil.
I fixed it by replacing a freeze/welch plug that was behind the
push rod cover. Similar to the valve covers on the side of an N.
Spent a little more on it for a new waterpump and fan.
Then I sold it for $4500. That was reason enough for me.
No way I was going to get $4500 out of an N, not even restored.

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Very good reason, and the key words would be "I sold it" LOL, But I meant go
buy it new. I have never seen one. I have seen a advertising poster from china
of chinese pulling plows with Ns but have never been able to find it again
anywhere.
 
(quoted from post at 03:49:33 07/28/16) Very good reason, and the key words would be "I sold it" LOL, But I meant go
buy it new. I have never seen one. I have seen a advertising poster from china
of chinese pulling plows with Ns but have never been able to find it again
anywhere.

Reality check - China makes a lot of machinery sold in the US and Jinma tractors have been sold in this country for well over a decade. They are currently made in China by Mahindra Yueda (Yancheng) Tractor Company Ltd. (100K units per year) which is a joint venture between Jiangsu Yueda Group Co., Ltd, and Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd. (one of if not the largest agricultural tractor manufacturer in the world). In addition to being sold under the Jinma name the tractors are also assembled in the US and and resold under a variety of brand names including Nortrac, Agracat, Farmpro, and Emerybuilt. They are affordable modern 4WD tractors in the 16 to 125 HP range:

[u:1586291352]Jinma Product Line[/u:1586291352]

They have a relatively small but happy customer base which even has their own tractor forum:

[u:1586291352]Chinese Tractor Forum[/u:1586291352]

TOH
 
What I am implying is why would any American buy a chinese made tractor and why
would you let anybody know it.Just look at the aftermarket N parts we read about on this forum being bad. I came across the forum you suggested the other day I
wasnt really surprised at what I read as far as a failure rate but what did these guys expect to get. The chinese manufacturers make CNC and lathes but
you wont find them in my shop WWII surplus machines are still used today and perform fine work.
This is not a political comment, this is not hate speech or bigotry of any kind it is fact and fact of history. If one can not state fact or fact of history then so be it. Some of us do care about goods Made in the USA by hard working Americans. So if the moderator and the chosen few want to keep removing my posts for their own personal reasons it is out of my control.But first show me where any of my posts have in fact violated any of the said violations.I have searched the archives for subjects that reflect my posts and they were not removed but my post which contain the same subject matter are removed because of the moderator when reported by the chosen few. Violations will be removed and posting privileges may be permanently revoked without notice. Have any of you thought had much better things would be if you could go out and find good American made parts for your American made tractors instead of junk that does not fit and or work properly. Now thats what a real Reality Check is.Dont bother to notify the moderator I will do it myself.
 
Buy disposable. That's the mantra these days. Like Aharbor Freight. Too many people want a lot of product for cheap.
 
Since I can't edit my post....

They have figured out mass production on a massive scale, but with a lot of that stuff, they haven't figured out quality control. I don't have a Chinese tractor, never will. Don't know the quality of Mahindras, but maybe some of their methods will rub off.
 
Don't get yourself worked into a tizzy, no need for your
post to get deleted for anything as far as I can see.
Not that I have anything to say about that.

What would you suggest people buy? John Deere?
They don't make anything here under the 6x series IIRC.
All of their compact and subcompacts are made overseas,
then assembled here in some cases, but not made here.
Same with most of the other brands as far as I know.
Country of origin may, of course, vary.
Many from India and Japan as well.
 
ChadC, the Chinese have the ability to provide excellent
quality control and will do so when it is required by the company
having them do the work. If it's not a requirement, they don't
waste their time and money on it. The argument could easily
be made that this indicates a lack of pride in workmanship,
but I doubt that is the major concern for them.
Their economy has been booming as a result of our greed.

Based on my experience with the tractor I had, QC was not
a requirement when it was built. Cheap was the requirement.
The guy I sold it to loves it and is still using it to this day.
On the other hand, I bought another 8N last weekend.
 
(quoted from post at 20:02:45 07/28/16) Since I can't edit my post....

They have figured out mass production on a massive scale, but with a lot of that stuff, they haven't figured out quality control. I don't have a Chinese tractor, never will. Don't know the quality of Mahindras, but maybe some of their methods will rub off.

Sounds exactly like what a lot of people were saying about Japanese automobiles in the late sixties/early seventies and Korean automobiles a couple decades later ;-)

TOH
 
And then somehow they started to actually care about quality control. Then their junk cars actually became good cars.
 
Ya count me in then too, all were subsidized by there government and sold
below production cost.
 
Dont count on it the J--s were subsidized buy their government and had American
engineers behind their improvements.
 
(quoted from post at 21:12:12 07/30/16) Dont count on it the J--s were subsidized buy their government and had American
engineers behind their improvements.

Revisionist nonsense. By the mid 70's the US auto industry was scrambling their asses off to catch up and stay up with Japanese engineering which was way ahead of them on just about everything including production efficiency. The US industry was getting it's ideas from Japan - not the other way around. GM spent millions trying to emulate Japan's factories and production techniques and failed before entering into an agreement to have Japan make cars for them. Ford and Chrysler were running scared of what that was going to do to them.

[u:27fdd6495d]Manufacturing Lessons from the Japanese Auto Industry[/u:27fdd6495d]

But just as importantly as the engineering and production technologies were the Japanese had a better customer model. They gave you more bang for your buck with standard features like AC, radio, upgraded interiors that US manufactureres charged extra for. People liked their products better.

[i:27fdd6495d]"Japanese car exports began to rise in the 1950s. Manufacturers faced a skeptical American public who viewed Japanese exports as cheap household products and flimsy, mass-produced junk. However, the founders and leaders of future automotive giants Toyota and Honda were determined to produce cars not only comparable to American cars, but better. Originality and efficiency were the guiding principles, supported by curiosity, an ear for consumers and a desire to improve.

Before long, consumers in the United States (and elsewhere) began to notice the impressive engineering and reliability of Japanese cars, and the Big Three spent much of the 1980s and beyond pleading with domestic consumers to "buy American."[/i:27fdd6495d]

TOH
 

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