2n starts then dies

stryped

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I have a 2n that will start, run about 5 seconds, then die. Points were replaced and adjusted, new plugs, wires and coil this past winter. I bought a rebuild kit for carb but have not installed yet. (I had been wanting to do this anyway as I have never went through the carb.

I will say last night I removed the plug on the bottom of the carb and gas flowed freely out of the bottom, so it is getting gas.

Any idea on what it could be?
 
Runs for 5 min then stalls - fuel flow. Not your problem.
Runs for 30 min then dies - frequently a bad square coil. - Not your problem.
Runs for 15 min then dies - frequently a bad ignition switch - not your problem. Easy to check by jumping around ignition switch.
Runs for a very short time (5 sec) then dies. Sometimes a bad condenser. Suggest you replace condenser.
 
" the condenser was replaced a few months ago. "

While rare, condenser failure does occur, and it occurs quick as Harold said.

You only did half the diagnostics; you didn't check for spark as soon as it stopped.

It is important for you to tell us if your tractor has a 6 volt or 12 volt electrical system. The troubleshooting is different based upon the configuration of your engine.

It takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel/air in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem down to spark or fuel.

There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, a spark checker w/ an adjustable gap (* see below) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.

Next time it won't start, check for spark then fuel. First, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, hook up your spark checker, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 1/4? gap, you probably don?t have a spark problem. If it won?t jump the ?? gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesn?t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn?t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38

Next, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. It should fill a pint jar in less than 2 minutes. If it?s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it?s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it?s not a fuel problem.If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn?t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don?t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don?t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. (see tip # 45) Check the screen in the elbow (see tip # 56) & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don?t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That?s why removing the 7/16? bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to check for fuel. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ?? in the open air. Remember, it?s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running. A store bought plug checker (in the picture) will work better than an old plug because it won?t shock the snot out of you like an old plug might!

Post back with results or more questions.



*If you don?t own a spark checker w/ an adjustable gap, buy one. In the meantime, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least ?? will work. Ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine turn the key on & look for a spark.
75 Tips
 
When I say it runs 5 seconds then dies, I mean it starts right up, runs 5 seconds, dies, but then I can start it immediately and the process repeats. So, I believe it is getting fire.

I don't have an ammeter, I have a voltmeter. (In the dash).

It has been converted to 12 volts, negative ground.

I did open up the drain plug on the bottom of the carb. A nice healthy stream of gas flowed out of the bottom for several minutes.

A few months ago, it started backfiring very loudly and died and would not start. This is why I took the distributor off and went through it. The points were replaced with quality points. The gap was adjusted to .015, I spent hours on the distributor trying to get everything right. New cap. All gaskets intact.

This winter, because I wanted to go through it and because I had trouble starting it last summer I did the following:

New distributor (broke the ear off of the old one)
new gas tank. (put a hole in the old one trying to clean the crud out of it.
New gas tank valve and sediment bowl.
New gas cap.
new spark plugs
new wires
new 12 volt square can coil. (coil is going through factory variable resister in dash)
New oil filter
changed mineral gear oil
changed motor oil
cleaned re oiled air filter
new manifold gasket

About the only thing I have not gone through is the carb.......
 

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