3pt dirt scoop and stabilzer bars

This topic is getting to be contentious as EI here.
I don't use sway bars on anything except a very heavy brush mower.
Some guys use them for everything.
Your call.
 
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Another yes!!
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Steve........YES, I use stabilizer bars 'cuz I don't want that dirt scoop bangin' into my 14.9 x 24 $500 tires........ Dell
 
(quoted from post at 12:44:18 04/15/16) This topic is getting to be contentious as EI here.
I don't use sway bars on anything except a very heavy brush mower.
Some guys use them for everything.
Your call.

i use mine for my old-skool side discharge king kutter 5' finish mower. i assume it's heavier than the ones they sell now. maybe it's just my lawn (i've got some slope that i deal with, and in many spots i'm cutting across the slope when i mow), but without the bars, that mower was all over the place. i got tired of seeing lines of unmowed grass between my passes.
 
(quoted from post at 08:34:10 04/15/16) yes or no?

I think more to the point would be a discussion on why you should not use or don't need to use stabilizer bars since it looks like almost everybody uses them.

I don't see any reason to not use them myself. It's kind of like people that don't wear safety glasses or goggles when using a chain saw. I don't see any reason to not wear them. Is there an actual reason to not wear safety glasses when using a chain saw or is it the fact that some people are just too lazy? I think if those people only had one eye they would definitely see a reason to wear them.

I didn't mean to deviate from the stabilizer question but the safety glasses thing just emphasizes my point on the sway bars. So, let's just stick to the sway bars subject.
 
I only use stabilizer bar with my blue color Ford dirt scoop when I am backing into the dirt pile,

However when digging in forward motion I do not use the stabilizer bars,

When I lift the load the lift arms are stable, so far so good,
 
(quoted from post at 10:30:29 04/15/16) I only use stabilizer bar with my blue color Ford dirt scoop when I am backing into the dirt pile,

However when digging in forward motion I do not use the stabilizer bars,

When I lift the load the lift arms are stable,[b:47007f4f65][color=red:47007f4f65] so far so good[/color:47007f4f65][/b:47007f4f65],

Those four words in red say it all. In other words nothing has happened yet. So why give it a chance to happen.

People may thing that hooking up stabilizer bars might be a PIA. But, since I never take mine off the tractor they are no trouble to hook up. They always stay on the pins under the rear end and the implement ends of them are zip tied loosely to the lift arms so they never fall to the ground when hooking up or removing an implement. One of my bars is an adjustable one that makes hooking up to an implement even easier.
 
I run the stabilizers - to make it easier to hook up I fabbed one from a heavy chain for one side, gives some wiggle room attaching & they're only good under tension anyhow.....

This is on a Linebach Line 30" reversable scoop.
 
We've had this conversation before CarryC.
I do understand why you use them.
I have told you several times why I don't use sway bars except with my heavy brush mower.
Yet you persist in claiming they are a must have. Even call people who don't use them lazy.
I am not lazy CarryC. Believe me.
There is another kind of laziness that some people have.
Those who can not see another way of doing things, will not accept there are other opinions.
They say it's my way or the highway.
It's an intellectual laziness.
Some people call it ignorant or narrow minded.
In some settings they call it bigotry.
Do and say what you wish by all means.
But don't be surprised if some here think you're lazy in your ideas.

For the board:
I dug and moved about a hundred+ yards of dirt with this little rig one summer. Dug it off the high spots and filled in a the low.
Leveled out some land.
Flattened it out with the back blade. Then disked, dragged and seeded it with rye.
It was a fun combo to operate.

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(quoted from post at 15:24:07 04/15/16) We've had this conversation before CarryC.
I do understand why you use them.
I have told you several times why I don't use sway bars except with my heavy brush mower.
Yet you persist in claiming they are a must have. Even call people who don't use them lazy.
I am not lazy CarryC. Believe me.
There is another kind of laziness that some people have.
Those who can not see another way of doing things, will not accept there are other opinions.
They say it's my way or the highway.
It's an intellectual laziness.
Some people call it ignorant or narrow minded.
In some settings they call it bigotry.
Do and say what you wish by all means.
But don't be surprised if some here think you're lazy in your ideas.

For the board:
I dug and moved about a hundred+ yards of dirt with this little rig one summer. Dug it off the high spots and filled in a the low.
Leveled out some land.
Flattened it out with the back blade. Then disked, dragged and seeded it with rye.
It was a fun combo to operate.

<img src="http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h56/Ultradog/P5010008.jpg">

For some reason you seem to think I was talking to you personally. I guess you think a lot of yourself.

I didn't say they are a must have. I used my tractor with a box blade and a woods mower for many years without stabilizer bars, simply because I didn't know anything about them. After finally getting them, I can definitely see the advantage in using them.

I was serious when I asked for reasons not to use them and not speaking to you as you seem to think I was.

I would venture to guess you don't wear safety goggles when using a chain saw either. Too much to bother with.

You always seem to have a lot to say when I post on the subject of using stabilizer bars. Seems you have more to say than I do.

Again, I ask the guys here, do you have any legitimate reasons not to use stabilizer bars? Is there something they do mechanically speaking that is not good for the tractor or implement?
 
I would venture to guess you don't wear safety goggles when using a chain saw either.

I don't think I have ever seen someone wearing safety goggles while running a chainsaw .
 
(quoted from post at 17:02:34 04/15/16)
I would venture to guess you don't wear safety goggles when using a chain saw either.

I don't think I have ever seen someone wearing safety goggles while running a chainsaw .

Again, personal choice. Would you run a chain saw without eye protection? I also have seen a lot of people run a chain saw without eye protection. It's quite evident on the logger shows on TV. Personally I value my eyesight more than some so I wear safety glasses when using a chainsaw. To me, it just makes good sense.
 
In all things prudence dictates.
Especially around machinery.
I have said there are advantages to using
sway bars. On some implements especially.
On other implements they are less or
unimportant. There are also advantages to
not using them as I have described before. I
have also said millions of farmers put
billions of hours on these tractors without
them. Use them if you like them. But they
are not a safety issue like safety glasses.
There are a lot of myths that get started
here simply by being often repeated. I don't
think the use of sway bars should be another
one of those myths. I don't think we should
call people lazy or imprudent for not using
sway bars. That's all I'm saying here.
 
EGADS, what a crank you are Cary... Must be trying out for the 'A' team... no one can see anything different from you... You and the King of OFF TOPIC ought to get your OWN website others can AVOID.
 
HiYa Steve-
My 2? input on using stabilizer bars with a dirt scoop is yes, if you have them, use them. As mentioned, you don't want the load swinging into your rear tires PLUS, they help a great deal when BACKING into a dirt pile or scooping in reverse. Early scoops only functioned one way - in the forward direction, but the later FORD scoops were reversible and that is a big help. You understand stabilizer bars, often called sway, or ant-sway bars, and STAY bars are two different animals, right? I use stabilizer bars on my finish mower and brush hog, back blade when plowing snow or dirt, boom, and maybe the disc and spring tooth drag harrows. You should not use them on turning plows or cultivators as you want a bit of free movement back and forth. Note in my setup with my 8N and WOODS Finish Mower the position of the stabilizer bar mounting brackets. Most problems folks have with using stabilizer bars is from improper set-up. The key is to assemble the brackets loosely when first putting them on and test the lift action until the bars perform with no binding, bending, or interference. Once you accomplish this, secure the brackets in place on the fender bosses and leave them. You do not muck with the setup after that; you don't need to re-adjust them for each 3-pt implement you hitch up and want to use the stabilizer bars with. I never saw a need for the so-called adjustable bars, but maybe someone has a use for them.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
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I have one other problem with using two solid bar stabilizer bars,

Some of my cheap three point equipment has the lower lift pins positioned at different distances apart, so on these tools I only use one stabilizer bar

When I build a new three point piece of equipment, I build it using the distance apart the factory plows lower pins were made,
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My old tractor has been used hard and put up wet over the years, so there is some slop in the 3 pt lift system connection points, even with the stabilizer bars in place,

everything must be right and tight when you are using a cultivator with bar out disc blades in place,

When using my bar out tool I have to use one adjustable stabilizer bar to Take out all of the side to side movement I can take out,
Otherwise this tool will have a mind of its own and go where it wants to go and plow up your young plants,
About the only time I have ever use it, but in this case it's the only thing that works for me,
 
Yes. I just moved several tons of crushed rock by backing into the pile. I thought it was a good idea to prevent possible damage to the lift arms.
 
Ken,

Me neither and I sold firewood for years.
A little sawdust in the eye isn't a deal breaker.
On the other hand, steel shards and flying metal bits from grinders and such are a totally different ball game.

T
 
my bar out tool,
I have to use the adjustable stabilizer bar on one side to take out most of the side to side hitch movement.

this little guy has a mind of its own, if it hits a hard spot in the row, it will push to the left or right as it does not have the stabilizer disc blade in place as a two row cultivator would have.

nice little tool, just turn blades around and you have a one row hiller.
does a great job,
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I use them on most everything except a plow and disc, everything includes scoop, bush hog, boom pole, box blade, forks, and trailer mover. Use them on plow and disc while transporting. The hitch system on my tractor has lots of slop. Without them everything swings pretty good. New arms are on the wish list to help. Of course with slop it is easy to hook up so all is not bad.
 
I had my blade angled to use the corner of it for tearing apart a clay pile at my neighbors.

At one point backing up on very uneven ground ant uphill I pranged a tree a little enough to jam the pin in the blade's 360 adjustment holes. Now that I know more, I'm real glad I had my solid sway bars connected and probably saved a lift arm.

Another time I tried to move my heavy MF Brush Cutter. It had wide pin spacing and I gave up for the moment trying to connect the bars cause all I was doing was moving it to my shop to fix it.
Well . . . the blighter climbed up one of my rear tires and fortunately I didn't rip my tire.

Whoever made my sway bars actually made one of them adjustable with two lynch pin holes at the end. to my surprise it allows the Cutter to be connected. My bars have lift arm balls at the differential pin ends as well.:)

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(quoted from post at 13:54:32 04/17/16)
I only use one stabilzer bar, see no reason for two. Much easier to hook up.

That is exactly why I use one regular bar and one adjustable stabilizer bar. You hook up the solid bar first then adjust the adjustable bar if needed to hook that one up. You can then adjust it to center your implement.

The adjustable stabilizer bars are made the same way as the adjustable top links.
 

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