I found an 8n with a davis model 90 loader that had been through a barn fire. The previous owner said before it burnt the engine had been recently overhauled.. My current 8n is in desperate need of a rebuild, lot of oil burning and blow by. Any thoughts on just putting gaskets in the engine from the fire and swapping it in mine,? issues? concerns? once its up and running id like to put the loader on mine. is there any parts source for seals, pumps, ect for davis model 90 loader ??
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Ultradog MN
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I have brought two tractors back to life after they were involved in a fire. Neither were burned bad. One hardly at all.
Maybe the best way to put it is if the tires are still intact you can save them.
But if the tires are burned away then they are a lost cause.
Maybe the best way to put it is if the tires are still intact you can save them.
But if the tires are burned away then they are a lost cause.
John Smith8N
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Like UD said, if it was hot enough to burn the tires off, it's only good for scrap metal.
Ultradog MN
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Pictures would help a bunch.
Petty much with out seeing it hard to say. Things like does the engine still have oil in it and what does it look like etc. If it really got very hot the sheet metal should be twisted and out of shape form heat but if it is still good and straight then it may not have gotten so hot that it hurt much. I have a A/C D-17 that looks like it was on fire at one time but it runs just fine and has for years after I got it running again form sitting in a fence row
looks like it was a fairly hot fire, i have a burn tractor too compliments of me repairing a light fire job, fires arnt all the same and internal damage is not all the same, depends on how hot a fire it was on my first which was the result of a broken fuel line on a hot tractor i was able to repair it bu replacing some gaskets basically everything up from the block, [ overhead valve engine] including timing cover seal ect plus re wiring the tractor, the freebie was in a barn that burned to the ground it was given to me as i have a tractor like it and the owner thought i might be able to use it for parts, that fire got so hot it bowed the front axle! the engine which was fresh before the fire was internally welded together that is the crank is welded to the journals, so very little of it is usable i got a seat frame and a toolbox off it, your tractor is in between those 2 in appearance so if it were mine id do some exploring pull the valve covers ect and try to establish what condition the engine is in, if it turns at all then id drop the oil pan and pull a rod and a main cap and see if there is damage to the bearings if so, no need in playing with it, it would be money better spend to overhaul your tractor
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Good eye.
When I picked up that tractor the wheels were dished out real wide.
Too wide to go on my trailer. I always bring some hand tools along but didn't have anything big enough to change a tire.
Had to hire a tire service to come out and dish them in. Ouch $.
I just got the tractor running and am still running the tires backwards.
One of these days I'll switch them properly.
The tractor got hot enough to melt most of the wires, plastic, seat, hoses, steering wheel, etc but really didn't hurt it.
Tires are badly dried out/shot too but thankfully nothing actually caught on fire.
When I picked up that tractor the wheels were dished out real wide.
Too wide to go on my trailer. I always bring some hand tools along but didn't have anything big enough to change a tire.
Had to hire a tire service to come out and dish them in. Ouch $.
I just got the tractor running and am still running the tires backwards.
One of these days I'll switch them properly.
The tractor got hot enough to melt most of the wires, plastic, seat, hoses, steering wheel, etc but really didn't hurt it.
Tires are badly dried out/shot too but thankfully nothing actually caught on fire.
Ultradog MN
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Yes sisters.
Yours looks like a late 60s 3000?
Maybe a gasser? Can't quite tell.
This one was an early 3600 - same machines really.
I had a parts tractor that had broke the crank is why I bought the burned one.
It was my first foray into a diesel.
There are a lot of these 3 cylinder models that burned because the battery cables got pinched behind the swingout battery tray.
Mine was a faulty block heater - and a very dirty, greasy tractor that fed the flames.
What are you going to do with yours?
They are great machines.
Yours looks like a late 60s 3000?
Maybe a gasser? Can't quite tell.
This one was an early 3600 - same machines really.
I had a parts tractor that had broke the crank is why I bought the burned one.
It was my first foray into a diesel.
There are a lot of these 3 cylinder models that burned because the battery cables got pinched behind the swingout battery tray.
Mine was a faulty block heater - and a very dirty, greasy tractor that fed the flames.
What are you going to do with yours?
They are great machines.
OLD........In my experience, It will depend on the cylinders.
If liners are steel or CAST IRON. THIN walled sleeves will distort sooner that CAST iron.
Take off charred heastond gaskets for shore. Check each cyl. with bottomed-out piston.
If still within tolerances, judgement, OK
Otherwise, check $$$$ in pocketbooks!
Remember old HORSE in barn? Caller HIM "BUCK".
HTH
John,PA
If liners are steel or CAST IRON. THIN walled sleeves will distort sooner that CAST iron.
Take off charred heastond gaskets for shore. Check each cyl. with bottomed-out piston.
If still within tolerances, judgement, OK
Otherwise, check $$$$ in pocketbooks!
Remember old HORSE in barn? Caller HIM "BUCK".
HTH
John,PA
connor9988
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Not a Ford tractor but here is the Case tractor that I'm restoring after it burned. The owners rebuilt the engine and backed it in the shed for a long time. Then the shed burned.
The motor runs like a top and I never tore it down.
The motor runs like a top and I never tore it down.
UD...numbers show it to be a 73 diesel...block heater got this one too. Shame, was a real nice one...owned by little old lady, notice the pink fenders. Guess I'll swap some parts out of the 3400 just to see if the engines any good, if it is then I'll fix it up and use it at my hunting land to replace a 8n I have there, if engines no good probably use the tins, remotes and original style seat on the 3400 and part the rest out.
Might try like the boys on TV and clear coat the tins to preserve that awsome patina...
Might try like the boys on TV and clear coat the tins to preserve that awsome patina...
In inventory, I have the following parts:
1 - ea. Rear Work Light assembly.
Good 'nuff for any tractor, even though it is painted FORD GRAY.
Keep the forward lights, making the tractor project for going "FORWARD". Restorable.
1 ea. TOOL BOX FORDSON. GOOD SHAPE.
GOOD STUFF.
Enquire Within
John, PA
1 - ea. Rear Work Light assembly.
Good 'nuff for any tractor, even though it is painted FORD GRAY.
Keep the forward lights, making the tractor project for going "FORWARD". Restorable.
1 ea. TOOL BOX FORDSON. GOOD SHAPE.
GOOD STUFF.
Enquire Within
John, PA
Hobo,NC
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I brought a side mount (1952) N that burnt bad it melted the distributor. I cleaned it up put new lifter cover gaskets on it a dist, water pump and a different oil filter and ran it... I had to go back and replace the timing cover gasket. It had a cracked head that I don't think came from the fire and low oil pressure when the engine got hot. Its hard to say give it a try...
It all depends how much heat the tractor took in the fire. Some are worth saving and some you might get some parts off of. I picked up this '41 9n from a barn fire years ago. It actually looks better it the photo than it really is. I didn't want to buy the tractor but wanted to buy the 2 bottom plow in the section of the barn that was untouched but he wouldn't sell the plow without the tractor so I bought it for the price of the plow and been picking parts off it for years. Just picked a muffler clamp off the rear end yesterday. Probably should have sent what's left of it to the scrap yard when the price was high years ago.
Kirk
Kirk
Ultradog MN
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Be nice to see some more photos of yours.
Below is a post I made on the Ford board when I got it running.
For me the deciding factor was the valve cover gasket. Figured if it was charred the engine was likely toast.
It was by no means charred so I knew I could save it.
Hard to believe it's been nearly 8 years since then.
Here are a couple more photos.
I ran that tractor for about 2 years. Never did paint the tin. A guy bought/traded as is.
The fire ruined the center hoods on it. Warped them beyond repair.
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click here
Below is a post I made on the Ford board when I got it running.
For me the deciding factor was the valve cover gasket. Figured if it was charred the engine was likely toast.
It was by no means charred so I knew I could save it.
Hard to believe it's been nearly 8 years since then.
Here are a couple more photos.
I ran that tractor for about 2 years. Never did paint the tin. A guy bought/traded as is.
The fire ruined the center hoods on it. Warped them beyond repair.
click here
I can't help on the Davis loader specifically, but I would think
the cylinders and pump could be sourced if needed.
Would really need to know how bad the fire was to say for sure.
[b:55b9928f7d]Here[/b:55b9928f7d] is a slideshow of my Jubilee HCooke mentioned.
To be honest it was a stinky, nasty cleaning job.
Probably wouldn't do it again, but it was a rewarding project.
I was only able to save one rear tire and then couldn't find a
match for it so I ended up buying a pair of new ones. Ouch.
I have been offered more for it than I have in it, so if I wanted
to sell it at least I won't lose money on it. Just my time. :roll:
Now to your question, this one melted the radiator apart,
melted the welds out of the gas tank, gauges, etc.
The engine still turned freely, had oil and antifreeze in it that
were not burned or mixed, so I took the chance on it.
I had to replace all the gaskets, hoses and belts of course.
Including the oil pan gasket. Even the distributor was melted.
But in the end, it starts and runs fine with no issues.
the cylinders and pump could be sourced if needed.
Would really need to know how bad the fire was to say for sure.
[b:55b9928f7d]Here[/b:55b9928f7d] is a slideshow of my Jubilee HCooke mentioned.
To be honest it was a stinky, nasty cleaning job.
Probably wouldn't do it again, but it was a rewarding project.
I was only able to save one rear tire and then couldn't find a
match for it so I ended up buying a pair of new ones. Ouch.
I have been offered more for it than I have in it, so if I wanted
to sell it at least I won't lose money on it. Just my time. :roll:
Now to your question, this one melted the radiator apart,
melted the welds out of the gas tank, gauges, etc.
The engine still turned freely, had oil and antifreeze in it that
were not burned or mixed, so I took the chance on it.
I had to replace all the gaskets, hoses and belts of course.
Including the oil pan gasket. Even the distributor was melted.
But in the end, it starts and runs fine with no issues.
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