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Hey guys,

I have decided to make my dad's 8N 12volt. It is a 51, side mount. I'm doing this because I have some weaker cylinders (105, 110, 90, 85) and need a new battery anyway. Plus I may want to change my Dearborn snow plow over to a winch system like Farmer Dan's.

I do not want to spend time chasing parts, are there any complete conversion kits out there I can just bolt on? Or should I say are there some better than others?

My other question is about my 6000 watt generator. When we first moved out here we lost power often, so I had a portable generator wired into the house. The first year I used it 3 or 4 times, the second year 1 time. Then they replaced all the transformers out here and started cutting the trees back from the lines, Have not used it the last 8 years. When I used it I changed the oil every year. The last 8 years I have not used it. Changed the gas out every year just in case, start it to make sure it starts, and then it has sat. Oil still looks like new. Should I still be changing the oil every year?

Thanks for the input guys,
Jeff
 
It would be a good idea to run that every other month with a small load to keep the windings from drying out and keep the engine lubed. I would suggest changing the oil at least once a year. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
If you don't run the Gen, no need to change the oil

No need for a conversion kit

Buy a 10si alt, brackets are easy, then the 12v bat.

Napa ic14sb coil
 
What parts?? All you need is a simple Delco 10si like what is used on a 1980 Chev pickup no power any thing no AC cost at O'Reilly's is around $45 plus a $10 core. To make the mount you just need some all tread and the gen bracket you have may need to be flipped been to long since I have done a 8N and the coil sound says to get. As for wiring it up you use a VR-1 or VR-2 from O'Reilly's in the #1 wire of the alternator so you can shut the engine back down
 
It works just like a diode does or a light bulb and since radio shack is no longer around makes it easier for me to tell a person how to wire it up. My 1955 Oliver Super 88 has a resister in line in the #1 wire and works great. With out it or some other thing like it you can not shut the engine off due to alternator feed back from the excite circuit
 
A $12.00 resister verses a .50cent diode that can be incorporated into the wiring harness that can be found almost anywhere,I don't think so.
 
Does not cost that much but most any ballast resister will work just fine. In my area it is hard to find a simple diode any more since the only place that was here was radio shack and they are no more so have to drive 50 plus miles for a place for a diode
 
The world is full of hackers that live and die using All-Thread. The only thing I can figure is that's the best they can do. Every one that post they must figure that's the best they can do also so they dumb them down also.

I am not a fan of farmerized alternator mounts either. All-tread is a sure sign of a shade-tree hack job. This is one reason conversions get a bad name Hackers hack away at it maybe they understand it but no one else does... Store brought alternator mounts that are Taylor made are readily available for you tractor that's the way I would go...




http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1202735&highlight=bracket

http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=713707&highlight=bracket

What I don't like about the kits is they randomly throw it together some of it fits some of it don't. TISCO kits come with the correct alt pulley and brackets. The alt is a less desirable one wire set up with a harness that will only work on a one wire set up :cry:

To roll your own get a 10SI alt for a 1975 chebby pick up with a 350. Get the 2 wire alt connector for the same truck. # 98-NAA5825 pulley. A aftermarket 6V wiring harness for your tractor (JMOR has a diagram to convert it to 12V with a 10SI alt). A belt it uses the same belt that is used in the so called kits. A Voltmeter and a NAPA KS6041 ignition switch.

http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1239210&highlight=napa

You will be knocking out allot of troublesome issues with one stone and have a set up to be proud of not some hacked up all-thread mess that may never work to your liking....
 
I've got two generators. One at my main residence and one at a hunting cabin. I never change the oil. However I have had to replace the fuel lines on both from cracking from non use in the last two years. I also have had to replace the fuel shutoff on one and the carburetor on the other just from lack of use. The problem with these things is that they are not used. I try and run them several times per year minimum. They are problematic because of not being run so you have to check them often otherwise when needed they won't work for sheeeet.
 
As the others pointed out, the alternator is common.
I like the three wire alternators too. #7127-3/6/9/12
The 3/6/9/12 part of the number is where the wires are clocked.

Brackets can be made easily enough if you're good at that sort
of thing. If not, buy them. YT sells a nice solid set and the 5/8
inch pulley to fit the proper belt.

Your original key switch, solenoid, ammeter and starter will all
work just fine. No need to spend extra money on those.
Your coil will work with a ballast resistor, but I prefer to just
change the coil as souNdguy said. One less connection to go bad.

I'll also second JMOR's wiring diagrams. Just Google them.

As to the generator, it holds what, 2 quarts?
$6.00 worth of oil to save a $600 generator?
I'd change it and run it at least once a year.
 

I think the others did not read you want to upgrade it..

I like to make it as maintenance free as I can and while I am at it eliminate weak links... While I am there shed myself of chit that does not talk to me...
 
I don't see any reason why you should change the oil in your generator. Its best to run it at least every 3 months just for a few minutes. Plug a light into it so the generator will work some. I have converted my 8n over to a chevy alternator. easy to wire up and will keep your battery charged. Costs about $50. Battery will cost 75. There not cheap anymore but what is. I have a 6 volt coil so I have a ceramic resister on the wire going to it. I have also done this on my 960, 340 international. skidloader. All work well. Winter time when there not in use I trickle charge them once a month. Usually takes about 5/10 minutes per battery.
 
I would change oil in generator once a year and put Stratton in the fuel ( better than Stabil). Run your generator several times a year under load and run it about 1/2 hour to burn moisture out of engine.
 
(quoted from post at 10:50:58 11/18/15) Hey guys,

I have decided to make my dad's 8N 12volt. It is a 51, side mount. I'm doing this because I have some weaker cylinders (105, 110, 90, 85) and need a new battery anyway. Plus I may want to change my Dearborn snow plow over to a winch system like Farmer Dan's.

I do not want to spend time chasing parts, are there any complete conversion kits out there I can just bolt on? Or should I say are there some better than others?

My other question is about my 6000 watt generator. When we first moved out here we lost power often, so I had a portable generator wired into the house. The first year I used it 3 or 4 times, the second year 1 time. Then they replaced all the transformers out here and started cutting the trees back from the lines, Have not used it the last 8 years. When I used it I changed the oil every year. The last 8 years I have not used it. Changed the gas out every year just in case, start it to make sure it starts, and then it has sat. Oil still looks like new. Should I still be changing the oil every year?

Thanks for the input guys,
Jeff

Jeff;

Generator Oil - I agree with the $6 to save $600 argument.

While the viscosity and other parameters may not change without use; the PH of the oil will. Sitting in the crankcase, with access to air and moisture will make the oil become acidic. This usually starts around month 3 and increases with time. Most manufacturers suggest at least once a year changes regardless of use.

Chris
 

Thanks guys, lots of great info. I think I will just pick up the parts instead of a kit. Not as much to it as I first thought, when it comes to chasing the parts.

Thanks again,
Jeff
 

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