Brace yourselves for a dumb ?

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

My apologies for a dumb ? First off....Ford
8n starter and solenoid... I know the small
terminal is supposed to face the block. My
? Is I have an 8n that the solenoid is on
the bottom small terminal facing out...why
its that way is the po's doing. Does this
have any effect on starter operation?

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

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mhb@ufe · Aug 27, 2015

The starter doesn't care which way it is installed.

Mark

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

I meant the solenoid... It doesn't matter
which way that is either?

R Geiger · Aug 27, 2015

If the solenoid was on the top of the starter, it would be facing in. Never seen one on the bottom before.

Hobo,NC · Aug 27, 2015

The solenoid will hold more water upside down :idea:

I would have to try and roll the starter over 180 deg...

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

Ya I thought about rolling it. Well...the
starter is weak then...I may as well just
replace it with a known good used one.

Hobo,NC · Aug 27, 2015

Whuts on the green label... 6V/12V whuts the deal...

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

Green label says tested ok...solenoid is 6v
tractor is 12v. Starter makes noise...not
whining noise but kinda i can't think of
the word for it. Having issues starting it

JMOR · Aug 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 21:14:49 08/27/15) My apologies for a dumb ? First off....Ford
8n starter and solenoid... I know the small
terminal is supposed to face the block. My
? Is I have an 8n that the solenoid is on
the bottom small terminal facing out...why
its that way is the po's doing. Does this
have any effect on starter operation?

f all along, people would talk about why a solenoid needs to be connected a specific way, instead of some arcane statement that the "small terminal needs to face engine", then such questions would never arise and the constantly erupting confusion of wrong solenoid selection would be diminished because of better understanding of solenoids. Kinda reminds me of 'don't set battery on concrete or earth, it will suck the juice out of your battery'. Or only change your oil under a full moon or other such nonsense.
P.S. you can point the small terminal up, down, N, S, E, W, forward, backwards, to or from the engine and it will work just fine as long as you have battery connected to the correct large terminal.

LisaK · Aug 27, 2015

I've heard of the don't set batteries on co
ncrete lol...I was reading last night that
Dell said it is supposed to face the block
which is what made me wonder if that was
what the issue with the starter was. If i
rotated it 180 so the solenoid was up the
bat cable is on the right terminal. The
left terminal is grounded to the starter
via what looks like copper bracket...maybe
it isn't copper I didn't investigate it too
much.

notjustair · Aug 27, 2015

Holy cow that would annoy me!!!!!

Royse · Aug 27, 2015

Lisa it's not actually grounded to the starter, it is connected to
the stud going into the winding to run the starter.

JMOR is correct that you can wire them most any way if you get
the wires hooked up correctly. That copper bar is the reason
the correct solenoid would be oriented with the small terminal in.

If you took the copper L bracket off and ran your own wires you
could put it in various places including under the hood.
What matters is where the actuating coil hooks up inside the
solenoid and where you connect the "run" wire.

POPGUN · Aug 28, 2015

Thats a N from down under Mate, so the starter and solenoid are on correctly the rest of tractor is up-side-down, stay off the Alice Springs Craig's list its a long ride to pick it up.

LisaK · Aug 28, 2015

LisaK · Aug 28, 2015

That makes sense! Thanks

LisaK · Aug 28, 2015

This isn't my video but this is how mine sounds except it doesn't spin as fast and sounds a little more sick..the solution to this guys was the drive gear was bad. So Id guess its time to pull the starter and have a look.
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tractorguy2 · Aug 28, 2015

I've never seen that before. The starter would work upside down. Make it hard to install the battery cable. I would flip it around the correct way.

If your starter is making kinda a "thump,thump" noise. It has bad teeth.

martyh · Aug 28, 2015

Maybe just because I am OCD and anl retentive, when time allowed, I'd freshen up those wires and reposition everything where it is supposed to be. As was stated by someone above, that would annoy me to no end! As for function the starter and the solenoid don't care how they are oriented but the manufacturer positioned them the way they did for a reason(s). Possibly for service ease, weather or debris intrusion resistance, protection from oil or heat, etc.

Bob in Tennessee · Aug 28, 2015

Don't forget the one about gettin' bit by a turtle and it won't let go 'til it thunders!

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