cylinder sleeve fit

howdy1960 · May 2, 2015

Wondering how much interference fit should be when re-sleeving the block.
Reason I ask is tried a new sleeve and it went in 1/2" by hand on holes 1 and 2. Didn't try 3 or 4.
Also before trying new sleeves puttered with an old sleeve which slipped in almost all the way by hand.
While removing old sleeves they came out fairly easy.
And from gouges in block very likely I'm not the 1st to resleeve

gwstang · May 2, 2015

Sounds like you probably need to use some sleeve locker to hold them tight. I used some on my 8N because there were some cracks in a couple of cylinder walls. Got it at NAPA. Doesn't take much, just a small ring around each liner will do the job.

Dell (WA) · May 2, 2015

howdy........ah you people, always trying to make an eazy job HARD. Make a "spool" outta 1/2" eazy rod and 2-jigsawed end pieces of scrap wood and 4-nutz. Go to the grocery store for some "throw-away" DRY-ICE pieces. With the spool 1/2 inserted in the sleeve, fill up the CAVITY with chips of dry-ice. Wearing leather gloves, insert yer FROZEN (and shrunk) sleeve into yer block and vola' its into the block. Now un-screw the bottom nut and pull the top of yer eazy-rod outta the block leaving the dry-ice chips to fall into a bucket for re-use in the NEXT sleeve. Simple, eh? .......the amazed Dell

ZANE · May 3, 2015

I suspect that the block was rebored at some time to take the 090 sleeves and cut too much.

Back about 50 something years ago I bored lots of them from 040 t0 090 and if I remember right I kept 001 force fit when boring. Non of them could be pushed down by hand.
Like Dell says dry ice to shrink them works good to make them lots easier to install. However I never used any cooling on mine. I used a sleeve driving tool made from the rear axle of a Ford car and a 10# hammer to drive them in. Crude I guess but that was all we had and never had any problems driving them in.

Now I use liquid propane to shrink them and that works almost instantly and is easy to install them but I'm told that it is very dangerous and should not be done. I do it outside with no possibility of a spark. It works.

Zane

Ken(Ark) · May 3, 2015

Now I use liquid propane to shrink them and that works almost instantly and is easy to install them but I'm told that it is very dangerous and should not be done. I do it outside with no possibility of a spark. It works.

Zane

Get a bottle of CO2 from your welding supplier , it is cheap , will do the same thing , and will not explode . Dry Ice is CO2 in its solid form .

Your can make a slushie by mixing dry ice with acetone . When the dry ice evaporates you will be left with clean acetone . At minus 100F be careful . Great on sleeves and seats .

It only takes one accident . I am recouping with 7 stitches from doing something I have done for 30 years with out an accident . Lucky I still have all of my fingers . Given enough time the odds will catch up with you .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice

tractorguy2 · May 3, 2015

Just put the sleeves in the deep freezer over night. That will shrink them. Then get a block of wood,a hammer, and a can of WD40. Lube the sleeve up well with the WD40. Then hammer them in.

I have done two this way. No problems. My dad was a professional diesel tech. He has done hundreds of Ford's. Never did use dry ice or Co2. Just a deep freezer

howdy1960 · May 3, 2015

Thanks everyone. Had already picked up sleeve tools from TOH.
I figure this is at least 3rd time new sleeves have been installed since new.
Ended up using all-thread to pull the sleeves into block.
Upon checking for final seating ended up braking a top land off, thus need 1 replacement sleeve.
Tried using an old sleeve however it slid in by hand with zero interference fit. DAG NABIT!!!
New sleeves felt like have .001 - .0015 interference.
Already had sleeve retainer so used it.

tractorguy2 · May 3, 2015

I bet in it's working days it had a sleeve set every year or every other year.

Back in 1952 granddad bought a new 8n for $1100. He farmed 480 acres with the 8n and a 1941 bareback JD model A. He put a sleeve set in the 8n EVERY SUMMER. I have the receipt for the last set he bought in 56. It cost $38 for sleeve set and gaskets.

showcrop · May 4, 2015

Funny how much advice you are getting for the OPPOSITE of the problem that you are asking about. I have had this experience, and like GWStang says, just get some LocTite sleeve glue specially made for this situation. It works, and also enhances transfer of heat from the sleeve to the block.

howdy1960 · May 4, 2015

Not being someone from a farming family I keep forgeting how hard ANY tractor was/is used day to day.
My Gramps had a tractor that was used to sickle bar 4 of his 6 acres twice a year and that was all it was used for.
An Uncle that had a few milkers and did his own hay but I wasn't around him much.
These 2 men and every other man worked outside the house for a company.

howdy1960 · May 4, 2015

That's the brand I used

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