Best push-button ORC?

BlackThumbHomesteader · Apr 18, 2015

Spent today using my rear bucket to knock down the Killer Knoll(was 'hogging down 8' high grass and hit solid ground that rose up 4' and nearly flipped my 2N over) and I've found that unless I have the top link adjusted to a length that makes for poor scraping with the bucket the lip ends up grinding on my ORC. I had the same issue with running my plow and having the right most coulter bump it a few times.
I'd rather not have to knock the pin out just to switch an implement and would like to hear some opinions on a quality push button ORC brand and source if possible.

Edit for information; 2N, 1-1/8 PTO shaft, ORC with 1-3/8 end already installed. I have no 1-1/8 implements.

Ken N Tx · Apr 18, 2015

(quoted from post at 03:08:04 04/18/15) Spent today using my rear bucket to knock down the Killer Knoll(was 'hogging down 8' high grass and hit solid ground that rose up 4' and nearly flipped my 2N over) and I've found that unless I have the top link adjusted to a length that makes for poor scraping with the bucket the lip ends up grinding on my ORC. I had the same issue with running my plow and having the right most coulter bump it a few times.
I'd rather not have to knock the pin out just to switch an implement and would like to hear some opinions on a quality push button ORC brand and source if possible.

Note: I have never used one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUICK-DETAC...pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e68bf9884

kldenny01 · Apr 18, 2015

To use this type your pto has to have the groove in it. If you are using a pto with the pin this one won't work. Unless you change your pto.

Ken(Ark) · Apr 18, 2015

I have always seen the overrun coupler on the tractor pto but in this case will it fit on the bush hog ?

BlackThumbHomesteader · Apr 18, 2015

(quoted from post at 04:55:17 04/18/15)
To use this type your pto has to have the groove in it. If you are using a pto with the pin this one won't work. Unless you change your pto.

I could change out the shaft, if I have to. So there's no having the proper groove machined into my old shaft?

Caryc · Apr 18, 2015

I don't think they even make a push button ORC for a 1 1/8" PTO shaft. I searched the net thoroughly and could not find one.

I did find one advertised but upon further communication with them, it was a mistake and was actually for a 1 3/8" PTO shaft.

Tall T · Apr 18, 2015

I fitted my ORC to the tractor end of the shaft, by depressing the spring loaded push pin. What I'm wondering is if that is all that's necessary or if a pin needs to be put through the small, now open, pin boss that runs clear through the ORC spline as well?

Caryc · Apr 18, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:48:11 04/18/15)
I fitted my ORC to the tractor end of the shaft, by depressing the spring loaded push pin. What I'm wondering is if that is all that's necessary or if a pin needs to be put through the small, now open, pin boss that runs clear through the ORC spline as well?

As long as the push button is in the groove on the ORC you don't need a roll pin.

BlackThumbHomesteader · Apr 18, 2015

(quoted from post at 10:00:16 04/18/15)
I don't think they even make a push button ORC for a 1 1/8" PTO shaft. I searched the net thoroughly and could not find one.

I did find one advertised but upon further communication with them, it was a mistake and was actually for a 1 3/8" PTO shaft.

I dug up an ad for an adapter collar that fits over the 1-1/8 shaft end but reports from users are that it disintegrates readily when used with a high-torque implement like a bush hog.

A full hydraulic system maintenance cycle is coming up very, very, soon for my little 2N so putting in a 'modern' PTO shaft won't be seen as a detriment to my pocket book or the longevity of my tractor's usefulness. Still, however, I haven't heard an actual user's opinion of a push-button ORC. I have links to multiple retailers, but I'm looking for a real-life experience of 'don't use this' or 'this brand needs grease halfway through a 1 acre use', etc etc.

Ultradog MN · Apr 18, 2015

I don't know if anyone makes one for 1 1/8.
I doubt it.
That's the worst thing about the other style with the roll pin.
People dislike taking them off and on.
But the darned thing with the 2 grease zerks spinning all the time back there always gave me the creeps.
I'm surprised the safety nannies haven't taken that one up.
Some guys use 4" PVC toilet parts and build a a safety sheild around the spinning pto/orc. Safer but unsightly and interferes with other things even more.
There are other things that interfere with an orc too.
Your dirt scoop. Some plows the coulters will catch on the orc. And some back blades wont turn around.
It is worth converting.
Everything is 1 3/8" now so you have to adapt any modern pto driven implement.
With 1 3/8 and push button type you can leave orc with the mower when you unhook.
You could use that sleeve that converts. Some folks say they don't last.
I don't know. Never used one.
Buy the pair and if it sheds the sleeve then convert.

https://www.external_link/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/135x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/3/T363.jpg

Tall T · Apr 18, 2015

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Well I'm glad you wrote all this cause I have about 5 of those light gauge adapters.

Caryc · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:04:39 04/18/15)
I don't know if anyone makes one for 1 1/8.
I doubt it.
That's the worst thing about the other style with the roll pin.
People dislike taking them off and on.
But the darned thing with the 2 grease zerks spinning all the time back there always gave me the creeps.
I'm surprised the safety nannies haven't taken that one up.
Some guys use 4" PVC toilet parts and build a a safety sheild around the spinning pto/orc. Safer but unsightly and interferes with other things even more.
There are other things that interfere with an orc too.
Your dirt scoop. Some plows the coulters will catch on the orc. And some back blades wont turn around.
It is worth converting.
Everything is 1 3/8" now so you have to adapt any modern pto driven implement.
With 1 3/8 and push button type you can leave orc with the mower when you unhook.
You could use that sleeve that converts. Some folks say they don't last.
I don't know. Never used one.
Buy the pair and if it sheds the sleeve then convert.

<img src="http://www.external_link/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/135x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/3/T363.jpg">

UD,

Your picture shows what I believe is a sleeve to convert a 1 1/8" pto shaft to a 1 3/8" shaft. But, I don't see any groove in that thing to accept a push button ORC.

Caryc · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:04:39 04/18/15)
I don't know if anyone makes one for 1 1/8.
I doubt it.
That's the worst thing about the other style with the roll pin.
People dislike taking them off and on.
But the darned thing with the 2 grease zerks spinning all the time back there always gave me the creeps.
I'm surprised the safety nannies haven't taken that one up.
Some guys use 4" PVC toilet parts and build a a safety sheild around the spinning pto/orc. Safer but unsightly and interferes with other things even more.
There are other things that interfere with an orc too.
Your dirt scoop. Some plows the coulters will catch on the orc. And some back blades wont turn around.
It is worth converting.
Everything is 1 3/8" now so you have to adapt any modern pto driven implement.
With 1 3/8 and push button type you can leave orc with the mower when you unhook.
You could use that sleeve that converts. Some folks say they don't last.
I don't know. Never used one.
Buy the pair and if it sheds the sleeve then convert.

<img src="http://www.external_link/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/135x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/3/T363.jpg">

UD,

Your picture evidently shows a sleeve that converts a 1 1/8" pto shaft to a 1 3/8" pto shaft. But, I don't see any groove in that thing to accept a push button ORC.

Tall T · Apr 19, 2015

Here's my adapter collection.
The 2 on the right are the thin spline sleeves, the others are skookum thick walled adapters.

Happily, as far as my Jube goes re. the MF Hog & ORC, I don't need to use any of these adapters.

Caryc · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 13:19:52 04/19/15)
Here's my adapter collection.
The 2 on the right are the thin spline sleeves, the others are skookum thick walled adapters.

Happily, as far as my Jube goes re. the MF Hog & ORC, I don't need to use any of these adapters.

My 8N had a converter like the middle one in your picture making the PTO 1 3/8" The trouble was with that extension on it I could not put an ORC on it because it would then be too long for my mower shaft. So I had to remove it and buy an ORC that went from 1 1/8" to 1 3/8".

Tall T · Apr 19, 2015

Aren't all implement shafts telescopic?
Just thinking that if I ran into that problem where the MF Cutter shaft was too long because of the ORC, couldn't one saw enough off the two shaft sections to make it fit?

Speaking of cutting, I'm still kicking myself that I just missed getting a real heavy, machinist made power hack saw for $100.

Thanks,
Terry

Caryc · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:13:01 04/19/15)
Aren't all implement shafts telescopic?
Just thinking that if I ran into that problem where the MF Cutter shaft was too long because of the ORC, couldn't one saw enough off the two shaft sections to make it fit?

Speaking of cutting, I'm still kicking myself that I just missed getting a real heavy, machinist made power hack saw for $100.

Thanks,
Terry

No, you can't just saw the shafts off. On my Woods mower for example, the shaft is in two parts. The shaft connected to the gear box is a 1 1/16" square shaft. The rest of the shaft that connects to the PTO, slides over that square shaft and is able to slide back and forth should it need to as the mower may move up over uneven territory.

The trouble is that the shaft that runs to the PTO only has that square receptacle to take the square mower shaft for about 5 or six inches. So, if you sawed off anything to make the shaft shorter you would be sawing off that square receptacle.

To do it right you would have to cut a section out of the round shaft and weld it back together. Or you could buy a new square receptacle and weld it back to the round shaft after shortening it.

Here's a pic that explains it. YOu see the square shaft and you see the outer round shaft that slides on it. The square hole in the round shaft only goes up to the black arrow.

BlackThumbHomesteader · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 13:41:31 04/19/15)
The trouble was with that extension on it I could not put an ORC on it because it would then be too long for my mower shaft.

And that's another reason I'd not use one! Trying to get rid of some length on the PTO, not add to it.

JMOR · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 21:29:34 04/18/15)

(quoted from post at 10:00:16 04/18/15)
I don't think they even make a push button ORC for a 1 1/8" PTO shaft. I searched the net thoroughly and could not find one.

I did find one advertised but upon further communication with them, it was a mistake and was actually for a 1 3/8" PTO shaft.

Click to expand...

I dug up an ad for an adapter collar that fits over the 1-1/8 shaft end but reports from users are that it disintegrates readily when used with a high-torque implement like a bush hog.

A full hydraulic system maintenance cycle is coming up very, very, soon for my little 2N so putting in a 'modern' PTO shaft won't be seen as a detriment to my pocket book or the longevity of my tractor's usefulness. Still, however, I haven't heard an actual user's opinion of a push-button ORC. I have links to multiple retailers, but I'm looking for a real-life experience of 'don't use this' or 'this brand needs grease halfway through a 1 acre use', etc etc.

have the 1 3/8 to 1 3/8 version of this one. Only had it a year, so can't comment on long term use. Nice to install & remove as I have to remove for two implements that I use.
Even though this one is 1 1/8 female side, you will still be out of luck without the grove around PTO shaft.
http://www.agrisupply.com/over-run-clutch-spline-to-spline/p/32439/

BlackThumbHomesteader · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:13:01 04/19/15)
Aren't all implement shafts telescopic?
Just thinking that if I ran into that problem where the MF Cutter shaft was too long because of the ORC, couldn't one saw enough off the two shaft sections to make it fit?

I think people are getting confused with my phrasing and think I'm referencing the drive-shaft when I mean the ORC that mounts to my PTO end via roll pin which I'd like to have instead use a push button.

The end solution seems to be that I'll be pulling the old PTO shaft out and putting the 1-3/8 in so I CAN use a push-button ORC.

Caryc · Apr 19, 2015

(quoted from post at 18:04:10 04/19/15)

(quoted from post at 21:29:34 04/18/15)

(quoted from post at 10:00:16 04/18/15)
I don't think they even make a push button ORC for a 1 1/8" PTO shaft. I searched the net thoroughly and could not find one.

I did find one advertised but upon further communication with them, it was a mistake and was actually for a 1 3/8" PTO shaft.

Click to expand...

I dug up an ad for an adapter collar that fits over the 1-1/8 shaft end but reports from users are that it disintegrates readily when used with a high-torque implement like a bush hog.

A full hydraulic system maintenance cycle is coming up very, very, soon for my little 2N so putting in a 'modern' PTO shaft won't be seen as a detriment to my pocket book or the longevity of my tractor's usefulness. Still, however, I haven't heard an actual user's opinion of a push-button ORC. I have links to multiple retailers, but I'm looking for a real-life experience of 'don't use this' or 'this brand needs grease halfway through a 1 acre use', etc etc.

Click to expand...

have the 1 3/8 to 1 3/8 version of this one. Only had it a year, so can't comment on long term use. Nice to install & remove as I have to remove for two implements that I use.
Even though this one is 1 1/8 female side, you will still be out of luck without the grove around PTO shaft.
http://www.agrisupply.com/over-run-clutch-spline-to-spline/p/32439/

JMOR,

I think that may be the one that is actually for a 1 3/8" inch pto and not a 1 1/8" as it says. Anyone thinking of ordering that one make sure you call them and confirm that it is for a 1 1/8" PTO shaft. But even if it is for the 1 1/8" PTO, make sure your PTO shaft has the groove in it for a push button. Some, don't have it.

Ultradog MN · Apr 20, 2015

CarryC,
Yeah I did wonder about that. As I said, I've never used one so don't know.
I just know they are out there.
Both of the Ns I owned had been converted to 1 3/8 and everything since has had
1 3/8+lpto so the orc wasn't needed.

Tall T · Apr 20, 2015

Blackthumb,

I knew what you meant.
I kind of side-tracked your thread because I happened to be into the same mechanical doin's at the moment.

Sorry about that,
Terry

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