jubilee w/sherman hoe

LisaK

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Looks like a decent tractor if they will drop the price a bit...My thoughts were to take the loader off and put on my jubilee as the frame is cracked therefore leaking hydraulic fluid constantly, then I could have spare parts for my Sherman backhoe. My lines are in tough shape and bound to blow sometime. I see its got the vane pump on the engine. Mine doesn't have that. My hopes are that if I tell them what I paid for mine and it runs great they will come down in price. I'd think about renting a bigger trailer to get it. It fits on a 16ft but I don't know that i'd want to haul it back home 4.5hrs on it
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Lisa if you pick her up I would luv to buy the swing cylinders off of the sherman if you decide to sell them and if they are in decent condition.

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I wouldn't want to haul that on a 16' trailer. I have a 16' car hauler and my 850 with ford 711 loader and a woods 6500 hoe is just too much. I mean in an emergency, you could make something stack, and something hang over and flag it and it would work if the tow vehicle could stand the odd loading, and the trailer was up to the task.. but a bigger trailer would be a better choice for a long haul.
 
Ya I can't remember how we loaded ours on it. Maybe backwards. I know we borrowed a dodge pickup to pull it with . Granted I think we only had about a 100 mile drive with it. Not sure my Chevy would be up to the task. The other big thing would be getting it running to load.
 
i have had to creatively load before. load backwards, and just get the rear edge of the bucket on the trailer then strap the bajeebers out of it. put hoe bucket, rotated teeth down, then set it on trailer tounge.. etc. etc.

If the trailer is rated for the weight and you flag it and it is strapped and chained, and the tires are good and rated, that part can be ok. Now, with a tractor loaded odd like that sometimes you don't get the weight distribution correct and you get either light tounge or heavy tounge... then that becomes an issue for a tow vehicle. If tyhe tow vehicle don't care, you are good. for instance. when i pulled that rubgoldberg laod, I use my F450 dually. It has heavy suspension plus air bags, etc, and didn't care that the trailer was tounge heavy by a huge margin, because she's used to carrying about a 75% heavier trailer load usually.

On the other hand, I pulled that load one time with my 98 dodge ram 1500 and it walked all over that back road and stopped like a freight trane in the rain on a down hill slope.. so i only did that circus act one time.
 
I think I still have a set of swing cylinder off a Sherman Power hoe but do not know how good or bad they are.
 
I ha the same problem with a cracked loader frame. We welded it up and then added an external hyd tank so as not the use the loader frame for the tank and have had this set up now for over 20 years and works great. We also repaired the loader frame which was not a bad job but then I am a retired welder
 
(quoted from post at 15:06:04 04/01/15) I think I still have a set of swing cylinder off a Sherman Power hoe but do not know how good or bad they are.

Were these the ones that you checked on last year and they were stuck in closed position or is it that I am mixing you with someone else........My kids are right "Dad you are losing it!!!"
 
Maybe the ones I checked last year. I do way to much with this stuff to remember what all I have done. One of those things where I have had the idea of hooking them up to hyds but not got around to doing it yet to see what happens and how good or bad they are. I have 2-2 stage cylinders that I want to check also but just have not got around to it and in doing so will throw away what hyd fluid is needed to extend them
 
Sounds like I need to get you up here to do mine! There's a spot on the backhoe that needs welded also. We haven't ever dug a hole with it yet but would like to use to to clean the ditches at the hunting cabin one day.
 

Same here. I want to dig a 1.5'w x 2.5' deep trench 400 ft long and bury some culvert pipe.
Instead of renting a digger i want to get the 8N setup with the Sherman so I can do it at my own pace.
 
Welding stuff is like child's play to me. A number of years ago I peeled the bottom out of the loader bucket on my 841 wit ha bale spike. 2000lbs bale or at least in that range. I cut out the old and welded in 1/4 inch plate and in the front over lapped the 1/4 inch plate to make a cutting edge and has held just fine for 10 or so years. I have welded up a lot of loader frames over he years and back hoe stuff. I also build a lot of my own equipment to fit my needs like the 8.5 foot wide V plow for snow or the front lift for the A/C C I have or 3 point hitches for tractor that did not come with them
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(quoted from post at 05:24:55 04/02/15) Maybe the ones I checked last year. I do way to much with this stuff to remember what all I have done. One of those things where I have had the idea of hooking them up to hyds but not got around to doing it yet to see what happens and how good or bad they are. I have 2-2 stage cylinders that I want to check also but just have not got around to it and in doing so will throw away what hyd fluid is needed to extend them

you could extend them with compressed air
 
Well he's not willing to come down in price and I won't pay that for it. Its been sitting 3 years. Left rear won't take air.
 
(quoted from post at 23:25:54 04/01/15) Sounds like I need to get you up here to do mine! There's a spot on the backhoe that needs welded also. We haven't ever dug a hole with it yet but would like to use to to clean the ditches at the hunting cabin one day.

He really meant he could not keep a job doing anything not that he is look'N for work...
 
Hey Old guy - what do you use for most of this work - 7018, flux core wire, mickey wire?

Thanks, phil n
 
I use lots of 7018 and or 7014 rod. Grind Vs in the cracks then fish plates over that weld or it will just crack/break next to the weld. I also tend to weld hot. I.E. if most weld at 120 I run 135 or 150
 

That's how we did it. Put the backhoe bucket on the tongue of the trailer. I know the loader didn't hang off and I believe was still able to get the ramps up. I renember we has to stop and throw some extra straps on the backhoe. The dodge didn't even realize it was behind it. I've got a 1500 also and it would be too stressful on it. Of course when we bought it we weren't hauling tractors long distances. Next truck will be a 3/4t....one day
 
(reply to post at 03:05:18 04/02/15)
All we've got is an arc welder. Mark can weld just doesn't get much practice. I can wire feed weld. Took a course on that quite a few years ago. I'll either stick a different loader on it sometime or get a more proficient welder to come weld it. Its not a big concern at the moment. Maybe I should take up welding then when I don't like my Job anymore I can switch?!!
 
Grind the V then weld the crack then ad the fish plate. Learned welding from a Navy Hull technician and a retired Oil Pipe line welder. Have done Mig, tig and arc welding for decades now
 
(quoted from post at 19:05:18 04/01/15) I use lots of 7018 and or 7014 rod. Grind Vs in the cracks then fish plates over that weld or it will just crack/break next to the weld. I also tend to weld hot. I.E. if most weld at 120 I run 135 or 150

I weld at 175.
 

Is that 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, Jet Rod, lo-hy, 6011, 7024, up, down, flat, overhead, ac, dc, straight polarity or reverse? 8)
 
175 is ok if on say 1/2 inch plate but will not work well on say 1/16 inch stuff all has to be what your welding as to how hot you run so fill in the extra large gap you put here LOL
 
My 850, was like that, the wagner loader, was hammered and broke in several places, I welded it back together with 7018 off the Miller NT 251 trailblazer, did not even fish plate the broken section near the left foot rest, a common stress point on these, more so with a backhoe, its been like that 13+ years now, and I have lifted things I should not have, broke a spindle before those welds broke. It has an external hydraulic reservoir too, prior to me owning it. I cannot imagine, what kinds of contaminants are in that tube frame from all those years. Its amazing at how much abuse this tractor appears to have taken, long before I owned it, that its held up. They even broke the front bolster mount off the engine block on one side, that was welded up before I got it, looks a little rough, but it has held too, surprisingly given the extremely heavy items I have lifted in the past with it.
 
Non runner, alleged to have run before, ok.... bit of a gamble like any of this old junk LOL !, however, that is a good price, that thing would sell easily for that around here. If it runs, why would it be desirable to part some of it or exchange to another tractor? The cylinders are not brown with rust and or heavily pitted with same, if it sits like that much longer, they will eventually turn. At this point, just clean them up before using and protect when not in use. I've seen these in so much worse condition, that looks like it could be a really handy unit, if it is a runner, even as a whole, or just the hoe, it would drop right onto my 850 with the backhoe mount. Used rear mount hoes from 3pt models to old ones like these range from $1k and up, newer ones are around $5K. If that unit was running and operating, hard to say if the pins are worn or its really sloppy, but if in reasonable shape, I have seen them listed for 5K, they do sell eventually, some sooner than others.

It does look like it had been in use, under cover not that long ago, so many of these are just left and need everything, hoses, cylinder work. It has typical wagner loader and 4 stick/lever (which I don't like but still can use) sherman power digger of the period, and if it was an estate tractor, it may not have seen a lot of use, as not long after these were popular, newer models were abundant, some of these and similar era equipment took a back seat to newer ones, and literally sit, sometimes you find a good one as this appears to be. He could easily get a 1K more if it was just running or proven to run. That would be an average price and or decent price in this area, usually they bring a bit more.
 
I understand that. I paid $1700 for mine. And onlything I've had to do was a rear main seal. I just can't justify driving 4.5 hrs and putting the stress on my truck and trailer (or renting a bigger trailer) at his price. Its always a gamble with a non runner. I've already learned that which is why I'm Leary. He buys and sells a lot of tractors so he knows the name of the gam . I told him I'd check back down the road if it didn't sell and he was willing to negotiate on price. On a plus note I believe I found a Dearborn v plow less than 60 miles from me. Should know tomorrow when I get pics. If it is I'll go pick it up this weekend.
 
I just passed on a non running, but potentially decent gasoline powered 3000 ford, not that I'd be afraid of a project, given what it is once done, just not a good time for any other projects or anything needing substantial repair..LOL got enough of those lined up already. Took some time to think about it too. If it turned out to be worst case scenario, on this budget it would just have taken longer to complete, problem is I need a runner, so best to wait for something else or spend some more up front. Hopefully he negotiates down the road, does look like a nice unit, the hoe on it, hard to say with the tractor as is. I do like seeing these, with period equipment fitted, that one just has 50's written all over it LOL !
 

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