looking at this 860 tonight

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/4947574171.html

Anything I should be looking for? Rear tires look pretty low in the pics.

and just so I have my specs correct, the 860 would have the larger engine, 5 speed with live hydraulics and live pto with the dual stage clutch correct? and the serial number is above and behind the starter accord to smiths site?

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

In looking at smiths site this could be an 861. the hood emblem looks like the 01 series to me.

any tell-tale ways to distinguish an 860 from an 861?

edit to add:

it looks like the grill changed from 860 to 861, as well as the rear fenders. this appears to have all of the 861 equipment on it

CameronP · Apr 1, 2015

Those rear tires are pretty worn for $3000.

Wait till you price out buying two new rear tires and tubes, they do not come cheap. Figure about $1000 depending on brand, install costs et cetera.

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 10:41:08 04/01/15) Those rear tires are pretty worn for $3000.

Wait till you price out buying two new rear tires and tubes, they do not come cheap. Figure about $1000 depending on brand, install costs et cetera.

Where do you buy tires at? lol

We just put a new tire on our backhoe for $400 for a tire and tube, and we mount it ourselves.

I do plan to use the tires as a starting point for price negotiations though

HCooke · Apr 1, 2015

Fenders and grill say x01 series to me.

CameronP · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:46:35 04/01/15)

(quoted from post at 10:41:08 04/01/15) Those rear tires are pretty worn for $3000.

Wait till you price out buying two new rear tires and tubes, they do not come cheap. Figure about $1000 depending on brand, install costs et cetera.

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Where do you buy tires at? lol

We just put a new tire on our backhoe for $400 for a tire and tube, and we mount it ourselves.

I do plan to use the tires as a starting point for price negotiations though

$400 x 2 = $800

$1000 isn't that far off.

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 10:57:05 04/01/15)

(quoted from post at 11:46:35 04/01/15)

(quoted from post at 10:41:08 04/01/15) Those rear tires are pretty worn for $3000.

Wait till you price out buying two new rear tires and tubes, they do not come cheap. Figure about $1000 depending on brand, install costs et cetera.

Click to expand...

Where do you buy tires at? lol

We just put a new tire on our backhoe for $400 for a tire and tube, and we mount it ourselves.

I do plan to use the tires as a starting point for price negotiations though

Click to expand...

$400 x 2 = $800

$1000 isn't that far off.

I misread your post, I thought it said 1000 each (or did it originally say 700-1000 each and you edited it?)

Kirk-NJ · Apr 1, 2015

Agree with other probably an 861 but For 3K I would want PS too. It had a sickle bar mower on it at one time.If
you get I could help ez your high dollar pain by buying that nice bumper from you.

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:14:40 04/01/15) Agree with other probably an 861 but For 3K I would want PS too. It had a sickle bar mower on it at one time.If
you get I could help ez your high dollar pain by buying that nice bumper from you.

good to know most think this is priced on the high side.

honestly for my area I didn't think it was too bad. seem to be a lot of 8 and 9 Ns around 1500, and "good condition" Ns with 3k+ asking prices. don't seem many of the hundred of 01 series tractors pop up for sale.

bonus for us is that's is only 30 min from us.

I was thinking of offering 2500 for it. is that fair or should I offer less?

old · Apr 1, 2015

Back in the early 80s we payed $3250 for a 841 wit ha loader and plow. So yes it is priced a tad bit on the high side and the tires do not look very good on top of that

NY 986 · Apr 1, 2015

That is an 01 grille as I have a 1955 model 860. His right rear rim looks kind of poor. My tractor has the small carb so I am thinking the smaller engine. I am thinking about getting rid of mine. The last owner put new pistons, sleeves, and bearings in but botched the camshaft- hydraulic pump backlash and broke the camshaft. I put another camshaft in, rebuilt the carb, and replaced the rear rims. Rear tires are fair. Has a Delco alternator. New vertical 3pt links. Fenders would have to be replaced if it were to be a show tractor along with fresh paint. Overall appearance would be similar to the one in the ad. Would I be way off asking 2750 dollars?

Dean · Apr 1, 2015

Impossible to determine conclusively from the photos but it appears to be an 860 with 861 sheetmetal.

Check the SN when you see it.

Dean

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

already got the 860 and 861 serial number ranges for the years printed out and in my truck!

I'm trying to figure out what I want to offer. we would definitely like to have it, as it would make hogging our 40 acres much more enjoyable than with the 8n. I just don't want to overpay.

Kirk-NJ · Apr 1, 2015

Only you know what prices are and what tractors are selling for in your area. High price here may be lower else where. Photo of tractors always seem to be better than in person so it's your call.

Kirk

souNdguy · Apr 1, 2015

if that's right for your area, then you may be stuck. don't hurt to offer 2500.. might get it for 2750. It's worth that easy.

Lisa K · Apr 1, 2015

Of course price varies by location but I paid 1700 for my 860. It needs 2 rear
rims sometime. I also think his son listed it for the wrong price.

Jimmyjack · Apr 1, 2015

All depends on condition. I sold an 860 for $6500 that had PS and loader, and was in cherry shape. It had new tires all the way around, and I think it was well worth it. If you buy a deal at $2500 and put a loader on it, tires, and rebuild the engine where are you? You might get what you pay for.

Ultradog MN · Apr 1, 2015

Around here that would be a good price. $3500 - $4000 would be the norm here
I did a search on searchtempest.com for ford 860 and 861.
Within 200 miles of zip code 15201 (Pittsburg) there was only one other 860 for sale on Craigslist - for $5000 and one 861 in Buffalo for $2600.
So they sure are not as common as Ns.
As for the value of one - 860 vs 8N, I would pay $4000 for an 860 before I would pay $2500 for an N - tin, tires, paint, etc being equal.
Others here can better tell you if that is an 860 or 861.
Of the two I would probably choose an 860 before 861.
They are essentially the same tractor but when Ford bumped up the HP on the 861s they did it by using a bigger carb. Made the 851 more of a gas hog and IMO the tractor is too light to really utilize the extra HP.
Nothing wrong with offering less but if it's a decent tractor with at least 50% tires I would give him the full amount.
It's kinda hard to tell but I think that is a sure nuff real McCoy Bush Hog brand rotary cutter on the back of it. Looks like a model 405 from here. Those are still the best rotary cutters ever made. Maybe do a package deal on the pair?
I'm rooting for you.

64frd4000ind · Apr 1, 2015

Here's one in my area. Not mine, but similar to what you are looking at, except it looks like new tires.

861

8Nr--WI · Apr 1, 2015

Tiger...you are probably going to find out that this tractor is put together with 860 and 861 parts....the sheet metal is 861....The foot
rest is definitely 1955 860....straight with no upturned "toe bumper". Serial number will tell you engine year...my guess this is an 860
with 861 fenders, grille front sheet metal.......My picture is a 1955 860 that I believe to be all original.....PS...probably going to list
it for $4500-5000...with front and rear blades...didn't have to use it once this year for snow...but that's ok.

Good Luck, Tim

TheOldHokie · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 10:24:56 04/01/15) http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/4947574171.html

Anything I should be looking for? Rear tires look pretty low in the pics.

and just so I have my specs correct, the 860 would have the larger engine, 5 speed with live hydraulics and live pto with the dual stage clutch correct? and the serial number is above and behind the starter accord to smiths site?

Put another $800 to that $3000 and buy this. It's about two hours east of Pittsburgh right off I70 and well worth the extra cash and drive. If I needed a tractor I would have been over to kick the tires a couple days ago when I first saw it.

TOH

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Tom New Jersey · Apr 1, 2015

Just me, but I would not buy another tractor without PS after having 3 with, and 1 with out.......

Ultradog MN · Apr 1, 2015

Agreed.
On the other hand, sometimes you gotta go a step at a time.
I went from a 2N to an 8N to a 2000 and then 3000.
Got the PS when I parted out another 3000 and put it on my tractor.
The tractor he's looking at is still a serious upgrade.
Maybe he'll find PS for it in the future.

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

welp I put a deposit on it. Picking it up Saturday.

Tired are definitely low, but I actually think they looked worse in the pics.

I paid significantly less $3000 so I'm happy. Practically the price of an 8n around here I got a lot more tractor

Tiger Joe · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:50:48 04/01/15) Agreed.
On the other hand, sometimes you gotta go a step at a time.
I went from a 2N to an 8N to a 2000 and then 3000.
Got the PS when I parted out another 3000 and put it on my tractor.
The tractor he's looking at is still a serious upgrade.
Maybe he'll find PS for it in the future.

I may be crazy but I don't see a need for PS.

We have a loader/backhoe with it and yes for that it's practically a must have. But for me on a tractor I don't need it. I just turned 29 yesterday. So maybe when I turn 59 I'll reconsider the PS

ScoutB · Apr 1, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:54:56 04/01/15) welp I put a deposit on it. Picking it up Saturday.

Tired are definitely low, but I actually think they looked worse in the pics.

I paid significantly less $3000 so I'm happy. Practically the price of an 8n around here I got a lot more tractor

I saw the listing was removed. Congrats, glad you got it.

Tiger Joe · Apr 2, 2015

(quoted from post at 21:02:19 04/01/15)

(quoted from post at 20:54:56 04/01/15) welp I put a deposit on it. Picking it up Saturday.

Tired are definitely low, but I actually think they looked worse in the pics.

I paid significantly less $3000 so I'm happy. Practically the price of an 8n around here I got a lot more tractor

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I saw the listing was removed. Congrats, glad you got it.

thanks, it was actually owned by an older gentleman who passed away and his grandson is selling off the farm equipment. grandson knew absolutely zero about tractors so I was actually educating him.

its definitely a mutt. 860 tractor with 861 tin. you can even see the red on the hood in a few spots.
it comes with another pair of fenders too. and its been converted to 12 volts. started right up with no smoke and test driving it engine feels healthy.

one rear rim is newer and the other probably looks like it will need attention soon. it will need new tires but they will get us by for now.

first order of business will be to get the original starter button working, someone bypassed it to a push button switch on the dash.

Ultradog MN · Apr 2, 2015

Congrats.
When you pick it up post some photos of it. We like photos!
Either here or over on the Ford board.

Tiger Joe · Apr 8, 2015

Well here she is. Guess I was so excited to have a new tractor I forgot to take any pics.

here it is with my dads 8N. took it for a ride after unloading it and snapped this pic.

looking at this 860 tonight

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