ford 8n starts with choke,but sputters and dies

ford 8n 1950

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my 8n with gas on 4 turns, will run at 3/4 throttle but sputters, pops and dies. I was plowing the 5th time around when it died. I started it back up but it died a second later. we got it up to our shed and on the small ramp up the shed, it died. we later got it into the shed. it was restored 8 years ago
 
6 or 12 volts?? Front or side mount distributor those 2 thing being left out make it harder for us to help you.
That said check for a good blue/white spark that will jump a 1/4 inch gap or more. Next pull the carb drain plug and make sure you have a good steady flow of gas for a couple minutes. Catch the gas to look for dirt/water.
 
Got gas in the tank?

" it was restored 8 years ago "

That's nice, but when is the last time you replaced the points, plugs, condenser, rotor & cap & set the timing?


It is important for you to tell us if your tractor has a 6 volt or 12 volt electrical system & if the distributor is on the front or side of the engine. The troubleshooting is different based upon the configuration of your engine.

It takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel/air in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem down to spark or fuel.

There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, a spark checker w/ an adjustable gap (* see below) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.

Check for spark then fuel.

First, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, hook up your spark checker, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 1/4” gap, you probably don’t have a spark problem. If it won’t jump the ¼” gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn’t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38 )

Next, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem.If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn’t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don’t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don’t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don’t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That’s why removing the 7/16” bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to check for fuel. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ¼” in the open air. Remember, it’s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running. A store bought plug checker (in the picture) will work better than an old plug because it won’t shock the snot out of you like an old plug might!

Post back with results or more questions.



*If you don’t own a spark checker w/ an adjustable gap, buy one. In the meantime, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least ¼” will work. Ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine turn the key on & look for a spark.
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it has a side distributer. we put a full tank in the tractor, thinking it was out of gas but it wasn't. its not a electrical problem. that's sound
 
(quoted from post at 10:10:01 03/22/15) it has a side distributer. we put a full tank in the tractor, thinking it was out of gas but it wasn't. its not a electrical problem. that's sound

So you have checked the spark and it will jump 1/4 inch gap in open air?
 
ford 8n........NORMALLY, we recommend turning the wheel on the glass filter just 2-TURNS. Your description matches a clogged breather vent. Thats that round dome at the front top of the tank. Mud-daubbers are known to seal the little round vent at the front of the dome where you can't gitt too itt. Try un-screwing yer gas cap 1-notch. They make a breathable gas cap fer the NAA-600's. ($15, cheap) .........HTH, Dell
 
we used a fuel additive called seafoam and that seems to have fixed the problem. I will put a new post if it doesn't work when we plow next.

thanks for the advice!
 

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